Jill:
[0:00] On this week’s episode, we’re going to discuss Ubuntu announcing a major Linux kernel change that the Linux community will love. Welcome to Destination Linux, where we discuss the latest news, hot topics, gaming, mobile, and all things open source in Linux. My name is Jill.

Wendy:
[0:16] I’m Wendy.

Ryan:
[0:17] Wait a minute, Wendy. What are you doing here? You’re supposed to be on mic.

Wendy:
[0:20] Michael’s supposed to be here. Michael’s supposed to be here, but wait a minute. We’re on time. I’m here.

Ryan:
[0:26] That’s right. We’re finally recording on time. It’s so nice. The girls have this on point. And I’m Ryan, by the way.

Jill:
[0:32] Yes, you are Ryan. We love you, Ryan. And we do miss you.

Wendy:
[0:37] Michael.

Jill:
[0:38] Yeah, I miss him tremendously.

Ryan:
[0:41] They might.

Jill:
[0:42] He’s having a hard week of it. Let’s just say that.

Wendy:
[0:45] Oh, yeah.

Ryan:
[0:45] He’s having fun.

Wendy:
[0:47] Party with Michael.

Ryan:
[0:50] So what else is up for this week, Jill?

Jill:
[0:53] Also, Tuxedo Computers releases a new 3-in-1 convertible Linux laptop. One of our favorite Android launchers is having a bit of trouble.

Wendy:
[1:03] Uh-oh.

Jill:
[1:03] Uh-oh. Dun-dun-dun. Plus, we got some Linux gaming and our software spotlight and more. Now, let’s get the show on the road toward Destination Linux.

Ryan:
[1:20] Our feedback this week comes from Nomad, and he has this to say, it’s a point of pride for me that not only can i not name a single taylor swift song to my knowledge i have never heard one so nomad is responding by the way yes this is a linux show by the way if you’re just tuning in you’re like wait a minute my guy at the wrong podcast what’s going on every once in a while we bring in some pop culture references or something uh we have a lot of swifty fans in the audience uh i made that up i have no idea if we do we should take a poll uh and uh nomad here is responding to that and he says i haven’t listened to the fm radio in years i’m with you on that i haven’t tuned into fm i can’t the only time fm comes on is if something’s wrong with my phone and the bluetooth isn’t connected ah yes yeah and then fm’s there uh and i’ve never used any of the music streaming services so i’ve been spared the experience i wonder what nomad does for music maybe uses the platform we talked about last week jill to stream some of his music as his own collection? Yeah. Something like that.

Jill:
[2:23] Possibly.

Ryan:
[2:24] Because you’ve got to have music in your life. I feel like… it’s nearly impossible if you’re a coder or even in college or other things to not have some music going in the background at least it helps keep my brain from going in a million different directions there um i feel bad for nomad honestly like taylor swift is uh you know a national treasure and wendy is on the show and she feels the same way wendy is a huge swifty i’ve heard uh has gone to all of her concerts, collected all of her albums and can name any song. Just give her the year. Wendy, what is your thought on this Taylor Swift thing Nomad sang here?

Wendy:
[3:05] So I am not a Swiftie. I have no idea where you got that intel, but whoever they are, they’re feeding you the wrong information. I do have one Taylor Swift song on my playlist, Shake It Off, but it’s not sang by her. I don’t know if you’ve heard of Frog Leap Studios. I found them through Michael. He’s absolutely amazing. And so it is a hard rock cover of the song.

Ryan:
[3:31] Shake it off a hard rock cover?

Jill:
[3:33] Yeah.

Wendy:
[3:33] That sounds amazing. I listened to it.

Jill:
[3:35] That was a nice pick, Wendy.

Wendy:
[3:37] Well, thank you very much.

Ryan:
[3:38] So I love these remakes. Like Disturbed did The Sound of Silence, which I think is one of the greatest remakes ever done.

Wendy:
[3:46] Favorite version.

Ryan:
[3:48] Yeah, it’s so good. And then there’s this remake of In the Air Tonight. You know that old Miami Vice? Yes. And it’s so good. I can listen to it all the time. And I cannot think of who the band is right now that did the remake. But I’m sure.

Wendy:
[4:05] I’ve got a remake for you to look up. It’s by Rob Zombie. And he remade We’re an American Band. And it is so good. So good. Check it out.

Ryan:
[4:16] So remakes are where it’s at a lot of times these days.

Wendy:
[4:20] There’s so much music. Cover versions.

Ryan:
[4:22] They’re so great.

Jill:
[4:23] They are.

Wendy:
[4:24] It’s kind of like Hollywood now. Yes. He also does a cover of Frozen’s Let It Go, which is also amazing. My younger daughter rolls her eyes when it comes on, but I think it just makes it listenable.

Ryan:
[4:38] Absolutely amazing.

Jill:
[4:40] I have a surf version of a surf cover of Shake It Off that’s in the style of The Ventures. Ooh. And that’s pretty fun.

Ryan:
[4:52] Jill are you a swifty would you call yourself a swifty.

Jill:
[4:55] Uh no i mean i do i don’t dislike her it’s it’s something i don’t dislike her i just don’t listen to her music so yeah you know yeah and i do like he’s a billionaire.

Ryan:
[5:11] So if you like Swifty, we’re not judging you. Clearly, a lot of people like Taylor Swift. Yeah, not at all.

Jill:
[5:14] I think she’s very talented. I just don’t listen to her.

Ryan:
[5:20] It’s interesting the things that get our audience engaged in our conversations.

Wendy:
[5:24] And this is fun.

Ryan:
[5:25] It’s not the latest kernel releases.

Jill:
[5:28] It’s all about the Crocs and My Little Pony. Oh, didn’t we have you?

Ryan:
[5:35] Didn’t we have you, Wendy? wendy uh my little pony versus care bear which is the better of the two cartoons i.

Wendy:
[5:41] Didn’t really watch either one of them though when i was a kid i do remember strawberry shortcake and.

Ryan:
[5:48] Most people.

Wendy:
[5:50] Don’t remember zuby zoo.

Ryan:
[5:51] My wife loves strawberry shortcake yes all the time yeah that’s a good one so you you just threw a third contender in there i did yeah absolutely strawberry Berry Shortcake. Well, let us know if you agree with Wendy on that. Also, if you have some awesome remakes you want us to listen to, come over to us because I’m loving the whole remake thing right now because new music kind of sucks. So just remaking old songs better. I’m done with that. You can send it to destinationlinux.net/comments or put it on the forum. Go to destinationlinux.net/forum and let us know.

Ryan:
[6:24] So the main thing I wanted to talk about on this show is that the impact this show has on the greater Linux world. And this is going to be proof here, because if you’ve listened to this show, what are we, 384 episodes?

Wendy:
[6:38] Yep.

Ryan:
[6:39] I don’t know how many I’ve been on, but I know I’m the longest lasting host on the show. Yeah. At least well over 200. And for 200 episodes, you’ve heard me complain about something consistently when it comes to Ubuntu, and that is its hardware enablement support.

Ryan:
[6:56] So to kind of explain how this happens, besides companies that have scheduled yearly releases like Apple, you know, where you know their hardware is going to come out at a certain date, hardware companies will release their products when they’re ready. That could be anywhere from January through December, any of those months that could happen. It could be one year in between. It could be six months in between. You don’t know. There’s all kinds of new motherboards. There’s new video cards. There’s new processors. There’s all kinds of new stuff coming out. And one of the big claims that I made early on with Linux or that I wanted to make with Linux, my 30 days of Linux, is, hey, Linux can work on old hardware. Yes, it’s awesome for that. But it also works really well on the latest and greatest hardware. But I ran into a problem when I was doing those videos back then, and that’s why I’ve been on this soapbox for so long. The problem was Ubuntu was the most user-friendly, and I was brand new into Linux distro out there, especially during that time. There wasn’t a lot of options when it came to user friendly, but it also didn’t support the latest and greatest hardware. And that’s because they had this release cadence that basically said, hey, when a new version of Ubuntu comes out, it could be running a two to three month old kernel.

Ryan:
[8:12] Once it comes out because of how they did their releases, they essentially would have a, this huge testing window that they had for a new release coming up and they would lock it down two to three months before it released. And that meant all the new kernels, which have all the hardware baked into the kernel, because all the drivers are baked into the kernel with Linux. That means you wouldn’t get any of that stuff. And then there were cases in between releases of Ubuntu, which is what every six months, Jill, six months, six months, I think.

Ryan:
[8:41] In between where they may release hardware enablement, but it was infrequent and there’s no consistency to the hardware enablement pieces of that. So this became a big issue because we tell people, hey, if you’re new to Linux, go check out a beginner distro like Ubuntu. But then if they went to the store and bought the latest hardware, like they got a new NVIDIA GeForce video card inside their new mobile laptop they bought, then it wouldn’t work. and so or amd or an intel cpu or there was a case when amd released its new ryzen line where it wouldn’t even boot in certain cases so this has been a big problem now though ubuntu has finally decided to do something that improves this greatly doesn’t fix it i’m still going to be a little bit on my soapbox i’m going to take one step down i’m not right is annoying i’ll take one step down from the stage. And in the recent discourse post, they’ve decided to, Ubuntu will now ship the absolute latest available version of the upstream Linux kernel at the specified Ubuntu release freeze date, even if the upstream is still in the release candidate status. Jill, what does this mean for us?

Jill:
[9:49] Oh boy. So this is, you know, it’s, it’s basically having the stability of Ubuntu to with the latest and greatest Linux kernel.

Jill:
[9:59] Is awesome. It’s a dream come true. In fact, when I was reading through the news, I was thinking of it like stability, but with an Ubuntu Linux, with Ubuntu kernel updates going out gradually rather than a rolling release. So yeah, it’s slower than rolling, but it’s still, you know, much more moving. It’s still moving. It’s much more movement. And And what is interesting also is that Canonical won’t be releasing updates just because there is a new kernel. This would require more manpower. Instead, when they do a normal update, it will include the latest kernel. So every time there’s an update, Canonical is not going to update Ubuntu with the latest kernel. And that makes sense because they need more manpower. and uh but i was just so excited when i first heard this announcement because it’s going to mean that beloved hardware enablement comes sooner on ubuntu especially with our newer laptops and computers that um especially more actually the laptop side of it where a lot of even sound cards were having issues with sound cards working because of some changes that were made after After the pandemic. Yeah.

Ryan:
[11:22] No, it’s very true. And while not an absolute solution, I feel like it’s leaps and bounds above where Ubuntu was. Yeah. I would love to see them take this a step further and allow for an option built into the installer even. So this kind of removes some of the risk on their part because I know why they don’t want to just enable every piece of hardware as it comes into the kernel because that could create some regression problems. Right.

Wendy:
[11:45] Right.

Ryan:
[11:46] But I think they could allow options for users in the installer to always pull down the latest hardware enablement or in the settings patches from kernels in between releases. With that said, that would be like Ryan tier one ask. This definitely is like tier two accomplishment. So very happy. I’m excited. Ubuntu has been doing some really cool things lately. Wendy, what are your thoughts on this?

Wendy:
[12:10] I am so happy for everybody who runs Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based distros, because it does allow them to say, hey, I need a new laptop. And maybe knowing that Ubuntu is going to be updating a little bit more often, you plan that next purchase around when that next update is going to be. So you’ve got your budget for it and say, okay, I’m going to go ahead and do it after this update drops. so you buy it at the same time now it’s not something that i’m going to be running myself i did run some ubuntu based distros in the beginning but my preferred is manjaro and i know michael doesn’t like it so he doesn’t talk about it so even though this is an ubuntu segment i’ll kind of slip in here as to why i like to run it and people have had their issues with it but But for me, I’ve been running it for years. And it’s been very- Since I’ve known you.

Ryan:
[13:08] I think you’ve been on it.

Wendy:
[13:09] Yeah, yeah. I think since we’ve been talking, I’ve been running on JAR. I had a short stint where I was playing with Garuda for a little bit, but that was still an Arch-based distribution. But for me, it’s the fact that it doesn’t come straight down through like regular Arch does. They actually take some time. They test some packages and stuff. I do pull a couple things from the AUR, but not much. I know you guys get really excited about the flat packs and the snaps, but I really just want something from my repo. I don’t want to pull down those other universal packages. And so it has the full fit and finish for me. It’s got everything I need. It keeps updated with the new hardware, but it’s not so fresh rolling that things break for me. Now, things can break for you. that’s possible but I haven’t necessarily had that experience in running mine it even you haven’t had a show-stopping break.

Ryan:
[14:05] Or you’ve had no breaks at all.

Wendy:
[14:08] I wouldn’t say I’ve had no breaks at all, but the breaks I’ve had were user error.

Ryan:
[14:14] Okay. Wow.

Jill:
[14:15] Or you didn’t update in time.

Wendy:
[14:17] Yeah. So, and for the most part, I update pretty frequently. I’m not a Michael, but- Okay.

Jill:
[14:23] Yes.

Wendy:
[14:25] It’s been more like I’m playing around with this thing or that thing. And I break things just in my experimenting with stuff. Not necessarily that it was the distro’s fault. If you add some other their layers. I’ve got a pretty good friend that I talk to on a regular basis, who is also running Manjaro used to run Linux Mint, but is now pretty consistent on Manjaro. And he was having some breakage issues for a while, but it was some custom configs that he had, where there was some conflict coming in. And once he figured out what that issue was, then updates haven’t been a problem but once again it was kind of a user error situation.

Ryan:
[15:02] See michael says he likes arch base but his words say otherwise on the show like off the show like no i really like arch i used to support arch stuff i used to help in with the community of arch but then there’s never an arch product where he’s like yes i love it um but you know i love it enough.

Wendy:
[15:22] To make an arch product.

Ryan:
[15:23] Be a good Yeah, that’s the true answer right there is that Arch would be the worst distro for Michael.

Wendy:
[15:29] Period.

Jill:
[15:31] It would be, yeah.

Wendy:
[15:32] I take care of my in-law system. And so Fedora is fantastic because I’m there. There’s another update. I run the update from version to version and effortless. Yeah, absolutely. While all these are great options for different people, it’s great that those who enjoy these Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based systems have more options for newer hardware.

Ryan:
[15:56] What I love about it is I think about the new users. We all have a choice. If I want to go to Arch tomorrow, I’ve done it enough, I can switch, whatever. Jill, you’ve got everything anyways represented in your museum. So who knows what you’re on?

Jill:
[16:08] I’m still running the original Garuda when we talked about it years ago on my laptop.

Ryan:
[16:14] There you go.

Jill:
[16:14] I just keep updating it because I like Garuda.

Wendy:
[16:17] It’s a great distro.

Jill:
[16:18] Yeah, it’s very pretty. Yeah.

Ryan:
[16:21] So, I mean, I think from that aspect, though, I think of the new people coming into Linux, usually the first distro is going to be Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based. And so having this, I think, is so important for the community. I’m really proud of a lot of the stuff Canonical has been doing lately. I think they’re kind of really starting to gear themselves back into that user experience piece of it. And I love seeing it. I understand why they went servers. So I wasn’t happy about it, but I kind of understand it. You got to make money at the end of the day. They want a lot of the enterprise stuff. But I really do want their desktop is so important to the Linux ecosystem. Even if you don’t use it and you don’t like it, it’s still important to the Linux ecosystem. And we want a really good offering there. And this makes it that much better. Again. canonical you’re not off the hook yet you got tier one ask of ryan’s is still there so when you get that fixed uh we’ll totally let you off the hook but not till then but.

Jill:
[17:11] Ryan canonical and Mark Shuttleworth were listening to us if you go back and listen to the our interviews with uh Mark Shuttleworth we’ve.

Ryan:
[17:19] Talked about that up yeah we did we brought up listen uh the show is impactful i think it’s more impactful now that we have jill and wendy together who’s gonna argue with you two too.

Wendy:
[17:32] Jill’s too nice.

Ryan:
[17:34] And Wendy, you don’t know what you’re going to wake up to a horse head in your bed if you don’t. Sorry, that was my inside voice. Well,

Ryan:
[17:44] Wendy, one of the biggest requests we receive every time we go to a conference, convention, talk to people is like, when’s Hardware Addicts coming back? So I figured since me and you are on the show here, we give them a a little taste of hardware addicts and we’ve got some hardware to touch on these it’s not coming back yet but maybe soon maybe uh but we got a little teaser for you here.

Wendy:
[18:08] Yes yes absolutely so jill teased earlier about this Tuxedo releasing their very first three in one and Tuxedo is one of the larger producers of linux app of linux laptops outside of framework and when they announced this they say that it’s for creatives. That’s kind of what they’re saying that it’s built for. And the three in ones that you can use it as a traditional laptop, you can kind of flip it over tent style and touch the screen that way or flip it completely down and use it as a tablet. Lots of different options configurations there. And when we’re looking at what’s inside of it, or I guess what’s outside of it with the partial aluminum chassis. So yeah, you’re not getting fully enclosed. But but that does help keep the weight down at 3.3 pounds. It’s got a 14-inch 16×10 screen, and it’s got a matte finish. So that’s nice, especially if you’re using it in a laptop or in a tablet mode or that bent over, the lights around, that matte screen is really important.

Wendy:
[19:19] And I know I’m going to get a look from Ryan here, but it’s only 19 by 20 by 1200 resolution why Tuxedo why why it is pressure sensitive with pen support and that’s a lot more than some of these other touchscreen laptops can say yeah you can push but it’s only in certain areas you can’t actually use a pen for multiple pressures across it and this does have that now brightness is okay at 400 nits, It does have 100% sRGB color coverage. And as I was talking to my daughter earlier, who is looking at different hardware now, I have been a positive influence on her. Yes. I told her that 100% sRGB is the absolute minimum that anything should have right now. And I don’t care if you’re picking up this tablet or this laptop or any other device, you should be looking for something that has a minimum of 100% sRGB. And that’s the minimum of what a web browser can show. So it should be minimum across the board, just like at this point with web browsers and web apps, I think eight gigabytes is minimum for RAM. sRGB 100% is minimum for color accuracy. Just my take on things.

Ryan:
[20:43] For you, Wendy, like this is even more important, right? Because in photography, or if you’re doing art or other things, It’s very important that you have proper color reproduction. So for people who don’t know what sRGB, that’s your standard red, green, blue in your color space. And this is its ability to reproduce those colors accurately, basically. And there’s several different, we actually covered this in Hardware Addicts a lot. There’s several different versions. There’s Adobe and other stuff out there that you can look at for different artisty, different profiles and stuff. But what you’re saying is, hey, at the bare minimum, if it doesn’t have any of that other stuff, it needs to be at least 100% SRGB.

Wendy:
[21:22] Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Especially if you’re going to be doing it for different drawing applications and the like, it really should be 100% SRGB. So they did get things covered there. Now, this does have an Intel CPU, and they haven’t had the greatest news cycle lately. but it is their i5-1335U processor with 10 cores, and it’s running at about 15 watts, so…

Wendy:
[21:53] An interesting wattage there for this with a 55 watt hour battery that says it boasts up to six hours of local video playback. So that’s actually really good if it’s streaming video the whole time with upgradable RAM. And I have to give them two thumbs up for this because there’s so many laptops out there right now where everything, including the RAM, is soldered to the board. So it’s nice to know that you can upgrade this. It does have two slots of DDR4 and you can go up to 64 gigs of RAM. Very, very nice there. It also can do a 4G SIM card. So if you need this device to have mobile internet where you go, maybe you’re in a place that doesn’t offer you Wi-Fi. maybe you don’t want to be on the local wi-fi for your privacy and you can’t do that from one of your other devices it does give you that option there and lots of different connection ports now we’re going to do a hardware addict scan how much do you think this costs all.

Ryan:
[22:58] Right so uh if i was to price this i was going to buy one i needed these exact kind of the i needed something that had the pen sensitivity the touch screen that i would be with these specs in the 1920 by 1200 being a big negative here right my book uh i would be looking at six seven hundred bucks okay brand new right jill what would you what would you say yeah.

Jill:
[23:25] I would say uh 550 to 700 yeah.

Ryan:
[23:28] Okay there you go what’s it cost tell me it’s 300 wendy tell me 300 like just blow our minds no.

Wendy:
[23:37] No no no this is going to come out at a thousand u.s.

Ryan:
[23:42] Dollars and ships this september yeah that’s like a sucker punch to the stomach right ouch man um, I don’t know what to say here. They put a high-quality screen in. It’s IPS. Right. It’s sRGB. You got 400 nits. Contrast of 1500 to 1. Okay, so it’s only 60 hertz, though, which, honestly, these days, starting to fall behind. A lot of monitors and laptops coming 120, 144 in laptops right out of the box.

Jill:
[24:16] Yeah.

Ryan:
[24:16] And I’m talking 600, 700, all the laptops that have this.

Jill:
[24:19] Yeah, 165.

Ryan:
[24:20] Standard, too. They could go higher, somewhere 244 and other stuff. And when you’re looking at gaming laptops, a lot of times they go with the cheaper screen, 1920 by 1080 screen, but they still have the high refresh rates for the gaming and stuff. Now, obviously, this doesn’t have a GPU or anything capable of doing gaming, so that’s not what they’re doing.

Wendy:
[24:38] Right, it’s using Intel Iris for graphics, so nothing super fancy.

Ryan:
[24:43] They are going after artists, in my mind, when you look at something like this. They have a stylus, they have a drawing with Krita, for instance, in one of their pictures that they’re showing here. Here it’s folded in half. You’ve got Krita and stuff. And I think when you start getting into digital art, you do start needing to have better resolution. I want better resolution just for the clarity of the text.

Wendy:
[25:05] Number one.

Ryan:
[25:06] But from an art standpoint, I don’t have any clue why they went 1920 by 1200. The thing’s a little thick. It has a nice bezel. They didn’t go too thick on the bezel and stuff. So I think they did fine on that. And I’m giving it a pass for the thickness because you have the upgradable RAM and things. That’s not easy to do if you’re not soldering stuff on to make something super thin.

Wendy:
[25:26] It has to be a little bit thicker for that custom ability. Right.

Ryan:
[25:29] They get a complete pass on that. Plus, it’s got tons of ports, tons of connectivity ports and other stuff. So they get a pass on the thickness. The weight’s fine. All of that. Really, my big issue with this is the screen being 1920 by 1200. I just don’t think that’s acceptable for what the target market that they’re going after. Also, 14-inch is an interesting form factor. It gives you that 16 by 10. But I really think when you’re dealing with art and stuff, 16-inch is really a sweet spot for a lot of people, or at least a 15.6 or 15.4, something along those lines, is more of a sweet spot for an artist-type things here. So, look, I’m excited we have another Linux option. There may be people out there that are looking for this exact kind of setup. I’m sure they did market research, and there are people that need this. In fact, I would love if you in the community, if you need this specific kind of laptop, with these specs and you can go buy used hp or whatever with similar specs because of x write us and let us know because that’s what i would tell people like if they came to me like hey i need a good three in one i’ll be like man there’s a ton by zeus there’s a ton by others that you could just take windows off put linux on and do the same things with uh and get a lot better specs so uh i love a lot of what Tuxedo has some of their laptops are so fire i would absolutely buy one on tomorrow this one’s not at the top of my list though i just you know yeah so.

Jill:
[26:50] I have something positive to say about this i.

Ryan:
[26:54] Really jill we said something positive too yeah like what put us in the negative corner there like we’re just negative nancy’s oh.

Jill:
[27:02] What one thing about the the screen size uh actually 1920 by 1200 is the aspect ratio that ipads used so um i i.

Ryan:
[27:13] Think used yeah Yeah.

Jill:
[27:15] So a long time ago. Yeah. So as, as a tablet, I think this could be a Linux tablet that many people in the Linux community have been waiting for. I know a lot of people that are looking for a Linux tablet, and they’re finding ones that are only 720p. So it is nice to have a higher resolution option. And it’s about the same price as some of the other Linux tablets what’s out there. So that is definitely a thing. And I honestly predict that the next release, the Tuxedo in infinity flex 14 gen two could be rise in powered and better for light gaming. Nice.

Wendy:
[27:57] That would be very, very good to see. And I’m not saying that this is a bad laptop for a lot of people. I know budgets right now. I would love to have seen them come out with something that, That was just a little bit more budget friendly and along these lines, you know, steam though, they’re a much larger company has done a great job with that, with their devices. A raspberry pie has been pretty good though. The expensiveness of their boards has been ticking up a bit, but for a lot of people, especially who are struggling, I would have to say, this is great. If you can afford it, absolutely support them. I want to see places is like Tuxedo keep going but if you can’t and you absolutely have to get something buy the use market keep that stuff out of the landfill and help your pocketbook yeah.

Jill:
[28:50] Well anytime you’re also you know buying from a specific linux.

Wendy:
[28:54] Installer on.

Jill:
[28:56] Hardware you’re going to be paying more because they’re also.

Wendy:
[28:58] Offering you tech support yeah which is wonderful and they’re smaller builders anyway yeah they’re smaller builders and.

Ryan:
[29:07] They’re going to have very Very small margins on these.

Wendy:
[29:09] Devices.

Ryan:
[29:10] So I’m not saying Tuxedos out here, like, we’re going to make a fortune off this. I bet they’re pretty close to what they’re paying for it. Like they’re making a small bit of money on it. I think that’s the problem, though, is with the parts that they’re going for and what you’re getting. Like when you talked about tablets, I’m looking at the old M2s, not even the new M4s. The old M2 iPad Airs, which is not their Pro line, is 2732 by 2048 at 600 nits. Their Pro line goes up to 1,600 nits and is 2420 by 1668. And they have OLEDs. Yeah.

Jill:
[29:44] Here’s the thing.

Ryan:
[29:45] I have a laptop. It’s 1920 by 1080 that I picked up. Not my favorite resolution, as you know. Right. But it’s OLED.

Jill:
[29:53] Yeah, it’s OLED.

Ryan:
[29:54] And it is gorgeous. So part of me is like, and 165 hertz. And I got this laptop for brand new, about 800 bucks. So to me, this was like the perfect college laptop that I needed because I didn’t have a Windows machine for a specific class. and so this was a great laptop and had geforce and all of this stuff and when i look at that and i compare now it’s not touchscreen right so that’s a big thing uh you can’t use it as a tablet you can’t fold it in half and do all that stuff so this does have its specific thing but there’s just a lot in the market right now and the screen’s a big deal and i think a lot of linux companies that manufacture laptops need to understand a Tuxedo usually does have most of their stuff in 2k but a lot of them need to understand that it’s no longer okay to have crappy screens in laptops like we want good screens in our laptops it’s not just like a i’d like to have it it’s kind of like you either have it or i’m not buying your product type of thing right it’s kind.

Wendy:
[30:53] Of like eight gigs minimum for ram minimum of 100 srgb it kind of starts ticking those boxes of minimums for what i we some of us would consider to be minimums for or will I buy that or not?

Ryan:
[31:11] Yeah. Yeah. So OLED screen, Tuxedo. Throw an OLED in the Gen 2 of this and an AMD Ryzen and you will be cooking with fire.

Wendy:
[31:22] Yes, absolutely.

Jill:
[31:24] Yeah, you know, most of these 3-in-1 laptops, usually their starting’s around $500. I was looking at them on Amazon, and I have one in my collection as well, and I remember spending, I think, $499 for it.

Wendy:
[31:36] Right, yeah.

Jill:
[31:37] For something similar, actually.

Wendy:
[31:39] Our robotics team is actually looking into them. We use them when we teach robotics camps and that kind of thing. And so we need something that fits into, depending on if we get the grant, so fingers crossed for us, we need something that’ll fit into a very specific budget for kids or school related stuff. Yeah.

Ryan:
[32:02] Well, if you have a suggestion, you can send it to us. We’ll get that over to Wendy as well.

Ryan:
[32:07] I’ve got some sad news to cover now. We’re going to go for some good news. We’ve got a new Linux laptop in the family. Even though it’s not something we need, maybe it’s something you love. But this news is just sad. It’s just sad, Jill.

Jill:
[32:18] Yeah, it is.

Ryan:
[32:19] I’m prepared. When we talk about iPhone and Android, a lot of times we focus on the whole security privacy aspect of things. but there’s one thing in my mind that’s undebatable when you talk about which is better Android or iphone and that is when it comes to customization Android period there’s no option there you want to argue there’s customizations better on iphone no you’re just lying to yourself you just want to that’s that’s the only thing so Android 100 takes the cake when it comes to customization uh it’s one of its biggest advantages um and one of the tools that people often talk about and utilize whether they’re in linux or they’ve never even heard of linux uh they probably still have heard of this tool called nova uh which is a very popular launcher customization tool and the sad news is that there was a tweet from the nova’s official, x profile is it twitter it’s twitter it’s just twitter i’m not doing that Zitter. Zitter, yeah. It goes, hi, everyone. Rob here. I imagine you’ve seen the news by now. It sucks. We’ve gone from a team of around a dozen people to just one full-time developer, the original founder, Kevin.

Ryan:
[33:34] So what this means is Nova is kind of on life support at this point. So they’ve lost their huge development team, reportedly, and they’ve got one person, the original founder, Kevin, still working on it. But there’s a lot of news of what’s kind of happened with Nova. Like they were bought by another company before, a couple years before, and it just doesn’t look like things have worked out. But if you’ve not used Nova or heard of it, it can be used for theming, icon packs, widget customization. Basically, you can customize everything. You have full control over your Android experience. But I don’t know. No, there are a couple of things that crossed my mind. I’d be interested to get your take. One was maybe Nova’s lost popularity because the UIs of Android from, say, Samsung, OnePlus, Motorola have gotten so good.

Wendy:
[34:28] Much better, yeah. That you don’t need. No, no crap.

Jill:
[34:33] They’re better than they were.

Ryan:
[34:34] But they’re still. I didn’t get to my second option, Wendy, before you answered. She’s like, no, it’s crap.

Wendy:
[34:39] No, there’s still crap.

Ryan:
[34:41] I happen to agree with you. It was a thought I had But then I was like Oh Samsung is so bad Like their UI is so bad Um, I prefer straight pixel devices because if you’re going to keep the standard Android on it, at least you’re getting the very basic Android that you can do what you want with it, which makes Nova that much better, right? I get the very base Android and I throw Nova in there and customize it and make it cool and do all this cool stuff that you won’t do otherwise. But I don’t know. What are your thoughts on this? I mean, have either of you used Nova? What’s your take on this situation?

Wendy:
[35:17] I’ve used Nova for a long time. actually nova is currently installed on this device it’s yeah i i’ve bounced back and forth over the years between a couple apex was one of them i used but um nova went light years ahead as far as custom ability so nova’s been my go-to i don’t know i don’t know since i found it, whenever that was.

Jill:
[35:44] Yeah so i’ve actually been using it since 2012 because oh gosh that back then actually one of the developers that worked on it i’d been talking to so that was yeah that was really really cool and i wanted to support their project so i bought the pro version yeah and what’s awesome is you can you know save your configuration so every time you upgrade to a new phone and you put the Nova Launcher on it, you can bring in the configs from your previous version, which that was what was so amazing about it. It was kind of the first to do that.

Ryan:
[36:21] And so, Wendy, you’ve used it. You’ve stuck with it. Jill, you put it on your phones. You’ve stuck with it. Do they? I haven’t. I remember using it back in the day, probably around when you started, when it was kind of just starting out, Jill. and I liked it but I remember feeling insecure about the permissions it asked for because, it’s customizing everything it was permissions to everything and I didn’t do much research about the company I was like I just don’t want to do this research but I remember being cool for the time I played with it and I just never ended up going back because you know I don’t even customize my desktop yes so whatever whatever is stock that’s gonna have some Batman wallpaper and that’s it that’s like my go-to with everything Batman wallpaper on the phone Batman wallpaper on the computer. We’re done. But, you know, it made me really sad. Do they have an ability to donate? Do you pay for Nova? Do you know? What’s the, like…

Jill:
[37:13] I just paid for it. Yeah.

Wendy:
[37:15] Yeah, like Joe, I paid for the premium of it, too. And… I would love to see this continue in any way possible. And even if that means that they’re willing to open this up to the community, have the community help them open source this project, because I use it and it is the only launcher I want to use. It’s one of the first things I install when I get a new phone is Nova Launcher, because even the Oxygen one, I don’t like it. I don’t like that whole like swipe to the left and there’s this weird news panel, whatever I don’t want any of that. And so it’s one of the first things I install because my phone is just as simple as my desktop. I black everything out. It’s super, super blacked out. So I don’t know if you can see this.

Ryan:
[38:05] Oh, I thought it would be pink.

Wendy:
[38:06] But it’s black, right? It’s very, very basic with some text along the bottom for some folders. I like things simple and easy to get to. so if they’re willing to open source it i would be more than willing to toss in a few bucks every month like i do for patreon on things to keep it alive same.

Ryan:
[38:27] Here yeah it looks like it’s about $4.99 currently on the Android store one-time payment so not a monthly fee which gosh that’s so rare these days that makes me happy and then if you go this is another rare thing if you go into to the data safety here. It says no data shared with third parties, no data collected.

Ryan:
[38:47] App doesn’t provide a way to even delete data because it doesn’t collect any. So that’s really cool. That’s a very nice of them. So I do feel like though, Wendy, your comment about, hey, this is where open source could come in is huge. Like to me, that’s where Nova needs to go. If they are really suffering here, Kevin, the creator, when you hear this, because it’ll probably be sent to you, like open source Nova, and then get all of the development of the open source community involved. And then we can utilize this for more than just Android. We can utilize it for Graphene OS. We can utilize it for all of the alternative operating systems out there that so many in the community utilize. I think it would be so powerful. And I think it could bring Nova back to life because you got one developer. Anova already had, according to a lot of the articles, long delays in between releases lately with 12 developers on there. So in my mind, now that you’ve got one person going back to doing everything, I feel bad for Kevin, it’s potentially going to even take longer. So open source community, that’s what they’re here for. They can do some awesome things, but you got to open source at first. So that would be my number one. And then Lineage, Plasma Mobile, all this stuff could benefit from having Nova launch in there.

Wendy:
[40:08] Yeah, absolutely. Well, Lineage is one of my favorite alternative OSs. And it would be nice if you could install Nova without having to install the Google Play Store.

Ryan:
[40:20] Yes. Nice one. Yeah, absolutely. That’s what we need. Kevin, we got you. We fixed all your problems. You’re welcome. You don’t even have to pay us. You should become a patron. But there you go. So hopefully Nova Launcher finds a way and finds the way we’ve recommended because that’d be the best way in there.

Ryan:
[40:38] But let’s go on to some happy news, Jill. Okay. What’s in our gaming section this week? Okay.

Jill:
[40:44] So while the Borderlands movie might go down as the worst box office performance of a movie ever.

Wendy:
[40:52] Close.

Jill:
[40:54] There is worse.

Ryan:
[40:56] It’s not but true.

Jill:
[40:56] Yeah. The games are still some of the funnest and most enjoyable first-person shooter games really ever made. And you can pick up the collection on Steam for an extreme discount. For just $35 on Steam, you can pick up $600 worth of Borderlands games and expansions called Borderlands Collection Pandora’s Box. And you can forget the movie ever existed. Hey, hey.

Ryan:
[41:30] Well i’ve never played these.

Wendy:
[41:32] Before so i need a little bit.

Ryan:
[41:34] More detail.

Wendy:
[41:34] Of what you guys are talking about.

Ryan:
[41:36] Oh my gosh wendy yeah this is your humor this world was built for you it is like very sinister like sinister oh it’s so good it’s like if you made a game it would be borderlands Like literally, this would be your game. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Jill:
[41:55] It’s very, I’ve done a lot of game streaming of Borderlands with the Linux community. And it’s just a whole lot of fun. In fact, I played it for almost a year.

Wendy:
[42:05] Wow.

Ryan:
[42:05] What do they call the art style, Jill? Because it’s shader, right? Yeah.

Jill:
[42:09] But it looks shader, but it really isn’t. But it looks shader.

Wendy:
[42:15] You got to define that one for me too. What does that mean? What is shader art style?

Ryan:
[42:19] How do you even describe that?

Jill:
[42:21] Um, um, outline it’s, it’s outlined. It’s, it’s usually radiating on the outlines.

Wendy:
[42:28] Okay. I’m talking Jill. Oh, okay. I gotcha. I kind of see what it’s got on here.

Jill:
[42:35] Ryan’s going to show us an example. Okay.

Ryan:
[42:40] All right. So, um, you remember my wallpaper is always Batman. Yes. Always Batman. Here is a shader Batman. So for those watching, you can see like, like what Jill was describing there. This Batman figure is done in shader style in which you could see the really dark. Like shade lines in between the graphic map.

Wendy:
[43:00] Look to it where the light a little bit.

Jill:
[43:03] A two dimensional look. It’s, it’s very, um, actually very comic retro. retro okay that’s kind of how i’ve this is not a doll it’s.

Ryan:
[43:12] An action figure too in case anyone it’s okay.

Jill:
[43:15] Ryan i’m glad you had an actor i’m glad you had a nice example easy to get to ryan, there you go but yeah so um so for for those of you who don’t know and wendy the game on steam describes itself like this lock load and face the madness get ready right there wendy yeah there you I mean.

Ryan:
[43:38] Come on, let’s throw your game.

Jill:
[43:41] Get ready for the mind-blowing insanity. Play as one of four trigger-happy mercenaries and take out everything that stands in your way. It’s very much a first-person, but it’s got a role-playing game aspect to it as well.

Ryan:
[43:58] A lot of storyline.

Jill:
[43:58] Yeah, a lot of story.

Wendy:
[43:59] I’m typically not very good at those kind of games. First-person shooters, I usually die, obviously, if you watch any. of the streams that we’ve done here across the network. I am typically the first one to die in first-person shooters, but if the comedy is what you say it is, it might be worth dying a few times.

Jill:
[44:19] Yeah, it is. And I’m horrible also at first-person shooters. That’s why I like to play with a group of people because they can be my eyes and help out and I just kind of follow them.

Ryan:
[44:31] Borderlands is not a competitive first-person shooter.

Jill:
[44:34] It isn’t.

Ryan:
[44:34] It is a strategic first-person shooter, so you can actually not be very good and still progress perfectly through the game because you can hide, escape, and do different powers or methods. One of the characters even has an ability to cast a helper that goes and fights the enemies for you, so you can just sit in the background and shoot. There’s a lot of ways you could play this game.

Wendy:
[44:57] I like that.

Ryan:
[44:58] Without having to be a pro shooter.

Wendy:
[45:01] Okay, cool.

Jill:
[45:02] Yeah, so it is very much just fun. It kind of reminds me of a little bit of a more upgraded Serious Sam, if you’ve ever played Serious Sam. No, I’ve played that.

Ryan:
[45:14] I’ve heard it’s amazing.

Jill:
[45:15] Really wonderful humor, but it’s really easy to get into. And again, you don’t even have to have good vision to play it.

Wendy:
[45:23] Well, cool.

Jill:
[45:24] It’s like playing it. So, yeah, on Steam, the description continues with… It’s addictive action, frantic first-person shooter combat, massive arsenal of weaponry, RPG elements, and four-player co-op. Borderlands is a breakthrough experience that challenges all the conventions of modern shooters. Borderlands places you in the role of a mercenary on the lawless and desolate planet of Pandora, hellbent on finding a legendary stockpile of powerful alien technology known as the Vault. That’s right up your alley. got a.

Wendy:
[46:05] Four person co-op on it i.

Jill:
[46:07] Say michael.

Wendy:
[46:08] Ryan me and jill get together and play a co-op i.

Jill:
[46:12] Would love that i would love that absolutely we.

Ryan:
[46:16] Will do this.

Jill:
[46:16] Okay so if you’ve never played you know borderlands before consider getting this all in one pack and make sure you’re wear your headphones if you have kids as this is definitely a very mature game mature language Right.

Ryan:
[46:30] Mature language and some violence, but it’s like alien violence and stuff. Yeah. Make sure you let your specific kids see it.

Jill:
[46:40] One of my favorite characters is actually a robot named Claptrap. No, of course. And he’s really funny and full of humor. So I actually want to see the movie just because Jack Black plays Claptrap. And I think that would be interesting.

Ryan:
[46:57] Interesting see i think that’s interesting but i think they cast it wrong kevin hart should have been claptrap oh yeah i think you’re right on that and they should have had the rock in there because kevin hart in the rock is always a good combination yeah they play very well off of each other and i 3d printed a rocktopus this has nothing to do with what we’re talking about here but apparently this is a meme yeah and i have no idea what it means i don’t.

Jill:
[47:21] Know the meme either I didn’t.

Wendy:
[47:26] Know that was a thing.

Jill:
[47:27] But I’ve heard about the rock to push too, but I don’t know where it came from.

Ryan:
[47:35] Things don’t know where they come from anymore.

Jill:
[47:37] But yeah, borderlands is just awesome. And this is so worth it. I’ve spent, I spent, Oh gosh, I’ve probably spent $200 on borderlands.

Ryan:
[47:46] I got to remember to buy this pack because I have one and two, but I have none of the expansions. And $39.99, this is $600 worth of expansions in here at least.

Wendy:
[47:54] All the games, all the expansions, you get it all.

Jill:
[47:57] Yeah, it’s everything.

Ryan:
[47:58] This is the jam. This is something you’ve got to go buy right now.

Ryan:
[48:02] All right, Jill, Software Spotlight. What do we got going on there?

Jill:
[48:07] This is one of my favorites. So our Software Spotlight this week is an open source project called Ruffle. Ruffle is actually a wonderful Flash player emulator written in Rust. Using Rust actually removes all the security problems of Flash. And, you know, it lets you explore all those popular Flash games or videos you enjoyed in the past. And this application lets you run .swf Adobe Flash content on your computer without a browser in between. And it takes full advantage of your GPU and system resources.

Ryan:
[48:43] That’s nice.

Jill:
[48:44] So you can load an SWF that you downloaded or place in an URL and it’ll play it.

Ryan:
[48:51] Be very careful with downloading random SWFs.

Wendy:
[48:55] Though, right?

Jill:
[48:55] Yeah, that used to be a huge thing. You remember that, Ryan?

Ryan:
[49:00] Oh, gosh, yeah. Flash was a security nightmare back in the day.

Jill:
[49:04] Nightmare. It was horrible. Yeah. So, you know, Ruffle, thank goodness, is open source and licensed using the MIT Apache 2.0. license and made to help preserve the history of the internet, which is always a wonderful and welcome thing. And thanks to Ruffle, we can play lots of flash games and animations on the internet embedded, including from the awesome Internet Archive website. On the Internet Archive, you can make the claymation penguin, Pingu, Pingu, newt, newt. You can make Pingu dance with the Pingu Boogaloo game. I don’t know what you’re saying.

Ryan:
[49:45] Jill. It’s like you’re speaking another language right now.

Jill:
[49:47] Oh, yeah.

Ryan:
[49:48] Boogaloo, Boogaloo, Boogaloo. I don’t know what’s happening.

Jill:
[49:52] Pingu is a series of beautiful European claymation animated shows about a penguin and his family and the trouble and his adventures. It’s so cute. It’s very much in the style of Gumby. Okay, perfect. And in this game, the Pingu Bigulu, you can make him dance. And the music is one of the theme songs for one of the series of shows and one of the seasons. And so that’s just that’s one of my favorite things to do with Ruffle at Internet Archive because I love anything Penguin. And you can also play many flash games from. from other sites, like one of my other favorite gaming sites, which is congregate.com. They have lots of the old Flash games that you can play.

Wendy:
[50:48] Nice.

Jill:
[50:49] And what’s cool is that the Ruffle standalone application can easily install as a flat pack from flathub.org. That’s the thing that’s new is there is a flat pack for it now. Or you can run Ruffle in your web browser as a Firefox extension. And there is also a Linux executable as well. And of course, you can install it on your website for .swf embedded playback. back. And one of the reasons this was so exciting to me, and we’ve talked about it here before in the show, but this is the new version that’s wrapped up in a flat pack. As an animation professor, I actually taught Adobe Flash animation for many years. And I’m just so happy I can still go back and play my students’ games and animations created in Flash, thanks to Ruffle.

Wendy:
[51:41] So all those old memories don’t die, you can continue to play.

Jill:
[51:45] Exactly.

Wendy:
[51:45] That’s awesome.

Jill:
[51:46] And I still, what’s really cool, Wendy and Ryan, as I still have students, we’ll say, Jill, do you still have my work from, you know, like 10 years ago? And yes, I have everything. I have all my student work. Best professor ever. Thousands, thousands of work.

Wendy:
[52:02] Jill throws nothing away. Yeah.

Jill:
[52:04] Jill, if humans could all be as good as you.

Ryan:
[52:08] We would be in a much better planet. But I wouldn’t want to escape constantly, you know? In fact, you keep everyone’s work. That is so sweet.

Wendy:
[52:16] Right?

Ryan:
[52:17] That is so sweet. It’s hurting Wendy’s teeth.

Jill:
[52:20] My students really appreciate it. I literally had this happen within a few months. So one of my beginner students, because the flash class was for the beginner students. And one of those students wanted my work because they were applying for an animation position at an animation house. And it was one of his most beautiful pieces. So, yeah. So cool.

Ryan:
[52:42] Very nice.

Wendy:
[52:43] So cool.

Ryan:
[52:43] Well, this is a very cool tool. I feel like this is helping preserve all of this forever. And that’s very important because there was a lot of innovation. There was a lot of Flash games I remember playing back in the day that were just so entertaining. There was one called Mafia, I think, that I remember playing the heck out of. And there was another one that was like farming. Something to do with farming and stuff that were just very addictive little games out there.

Jill:
[53:09] And there was all those Christmas bowling games.

Ryan:
[53:12] Oh, yeah. There’s just a lot of cool games.

Jill:
[53:17] So, yeah, when Adobe deprecated Flash from the web, everyone’s like, how are you going to play my Flash games? Well, thank you, Trabuffle. You can do that.

Ryan:
[53:26] Absolutely. I just want to give a quick update on the Borderlands thing. So I was like, I’m going to buy this thing right now. I mean, we got the link in the show. So let’s click buy, right? And so it was only $16 for me. And that’s because I already had two of the games. So it didn’t charge me the full 30.

Jill:
[53:41] Isn’t that awesome?

Ryan:
[53:42] Steam is so nice with that. Cause most companies would be like, yeah, we know you have it, but you’re getting all the DLC and stuff. We’re still charging the 30 bucks. Now Steam’s like, Oh, we’ll discount it half. So if you already have some of the borderlands, still pick it up. You can get a nice discount on it. Awesome.

Jill:
[53:58] Awesome. Right.

Ryan:
[53:59] It’s kind of like Chick-fil-A. You know, if you go to Chick-fil-A and you tell them you don’t want like something on there, like I don’t want the tomato lettuce, they actually take it off on the receipt.

Jill:
[54:08] Yeah, they do.

Ryan:
[54:09] Minus 20 cents minus 30 cents yeah and to me that’s like nobody does that but then yeah it’s so dope maybe.

Wendy:
[54:17] That the thing is the only thing they have there that isn’t breaded is like some chicken sandwiches or some chicken nuggets because i can’t do the breading but.

Ryan:
[54:25] Maybe next time.

Wendy:
[54:26] I’m there because normally i just order the breadless chicken nuggets but maybe i’ll ask for.

Ryan:
[54:30] A chicken.

Wendy:
[54:30] Sandwich without the bread.

Ryan:
[54:32] There you go i’ll take that off the little points yeah

Ryan:
[54:35] yeah a little bit bit off all right tip of the week so we’ve given this tip of the week before but this came up again recently where i needed this tool and i just think it’s so great and we got so many new listeners to remind people about screen copy or scrcpy so i think that stands for screen copy it’s weird name scurpy kippy yeah like how do you pronounce that right that’s good scrcpy uh so i need to to stream my Android device for video to my Linux system. So I wanted my Android device so people could see exactly what was going on in settings and everything right there and wanted to record that with OBS and put it into a video. And now there are a lot of paid apps that offer this service, but you got to pay for them. And then if you look in the little details, you’re like, oh, we’re going to collect all this info and all this crap.

Ryan:
[55:27] But screen copy is a app that doesn’t charge you for it and we’ve covered in the past because it’s such a great tool and you can stream your Android device directly to your linux windows whatever you’re using machine but mostly linux right and you can record everything you need using any of the recording uh options like obs and you can interact with your phone through your computers and use your mouse and be clicking on the icons and it will actually start moving your phone stuff around. So it’s very cool. It doesn’t require rooting, which is also a big deal. You do have to put your phone in, enable the developer options. So once you enable that, you can either tether it or you can do it remotely, set up a remote connection between your Android device. I do a tethering just because I find it to be far more easier to get going initially and just get set up. But Skripka Kikpi is such a great program.

Ryan:
[56:18] Definitely Highly recommend people check that out Alright man Listen this is the most Efficient show we’ve ever had, Wendy is military When it comes to getting ready and set up I am so appreciative Wendy of you filling in not only for me When I’m out but Michael, It’s so good Nobody’s going to want us back So that’s the problem We really need you to not be as good as you are Wendy Oh no they.

Wendy:
[56:45] Love you too I do definitely get some.

Ryan:
[56:48] Love in the comments don’t did you read the comments i do.

Wendy:
[56:52] Read the comments they do like you guys too but i’m you could say because i’m not around that often i get more love because i don’t see my bad side, Everybody loves Jill because Jill is Jill. But they only love me because they don’t get to see me all the time.

Ryan:
[57:09] Yeah.

Jill:
[57:09] They need to be watching Linux Out Loud more often.

Wendy:
[57:13] That they do.

Ryan:
[57:14] Yes. You can see Wendy all the time if you check out the podcast Linux Out Loud, which it should absolutely be on your podcast players. Amazing podcast. And also, I was just thinking it’s kind of yin and yang with Jill and Wendy here.

Wendy:
[57:28] Yes. There you go.

Ryan:
[57:32] Awesome well a big thank you to each and every one of you who are watching whether you’re watching us listening however you do it uh we love your faces and you can come hang out with us on discord you can join us on discord we’re going to tuxdigital.com/discord and if you want to watch the show live you can become a patron of destination linux we want to thank all of our new patrons out there you are keeping the show alive allowing us to have awesome people like wendy and jill and others on not just this show because we have a whole network of shows you support them all with your patronage so we appreciate that very much and.

Wendy:
[58:05] Watching live is just one of the awesome perks you get when you become a patron you also have access to the patron only channel where you get to talk to ryan a little bit more i’m telling you he’s really really bad at answering his messages which to be fair so am i.

Ryan:
[58:20] Yeah yeah if you if you want a chance i might answer you it better be in the zero chance zero chance elsewhere yeah and.

Wendy:
[58:33] The post show happens every week right after the show make sure you’re going to tuxdigital.com membership to sign up we also have the tux digital merch store there you can get some awesome swag like what jill is showing there, Don’t watch Ryan. He doesn’t have anything that’s in the store.

Jill:
[58:56] Unfortunately, I don’t have it for a few weeks. There we go.

Wendy:
[59:02] He has some swag.

Jill:
[59:03] He’s got some of our swag from scale.

Ryan:
[59:06] There we go. Yeah, there you go.

Jill:
[59:07] Our screen clear.

Ryan:
[59:08] I don’t even know if this is on the store, but it could be, and you’re missing out if you don’t go there.

Wendy:
[59:13] It could be, but they do have t-shirts, hoodies, mugs, and stickers as well. Don’t forget the Sinister Wendy swag. It’s the best.

Jill:
[59:24] Yeah. And make sure to check out all the amazing shows here on Text Digital. That’s right. We have an entire network of shows to fill your whole week with gooky geekness. That’s my new thing, I guess.

Ryan:
[59:40] Oh, good. Such a tongue twister. You are like dedicated to mastering it, Jill.

Jill:
[59:46] Yeah.

Wendy:
[59:47] I love it when flip-ups become things. That’s how awesome so it’d be.

Jill:
[59:51] Yeah.

Wendy:
[59:51] On Linux out loud.

Jill:
[59:52] You know, so much fun. And once again, check out Linux out loud where you can watch Wendy on her show every other week with Matt and Nate having a blast and sharing their passion for Linux and open source and everyone ahead to text digital.com and subscribe to all our awesome shows. And don’t forget to leave a rating on your favorite app so others can discover the power of open source and keep those penguins marching and the full Monty

Jill:
[1:00:18] of Linux and open source. Awesome sauce. Everybody have a wonderful week and remember that the journey itself is just as important as the destination.

Ryan:
[1:00:29] Hi everyone.

Wendy:
[1:00:30] Laters. Ryan may not love you, but I do.

Ryan:
[1:00:33] I love most of you. There’s just some of you.

Jill:
[1:00:40] Some of you are special.

Ryan:
[1:00:41] I love you.

Jill:
[1:00:42] There’s a couple different ways to do it.

Ryan:
[1:00:43] I love you in your own special way.

Wendy:
[1:00:45] You’re special.

Ryan:
[1:00:47] You’re special. Bless your heart.

Jill:
[1:00:48] She said that just so fair.

Ryan:
[1:00:49] Bless your heart.

Jill:
[1:00:50] Oh, bless your heart. Bless your heart. Oh, God.

Ryan:
[1:01:00] You know, when I first moved to the South, which is Georgia, you, I didn’t know that that was really an insult. And I thought, other people are so nice. They’re always saying, bless your heart. They weren’t being nice.

Wendy:
[1:01:13] What does that say if you heard that all the time?

Ryan:
[1:01:18] That I don’t fit in your mouth, which, you know, it’s not a shock to most people.

Wendy:
[1:01:23] Yeah.

Jill:
[1:01:23] I knew immediately, like when I was a kid and I heard it from someone in our church, you know, who used to say all the time, I’m like that. I said, mom, she’s being derogatory towards you.

Wendy:
[1:01:33] She didn’t get it.

Jill:
[1:01:36] And I was a little kid and I sensed it.

Ryan:
[1:01:38] I wonder if at some point in the South, it actually was like a nice thing to say.

Jill:
[1:01:42] It probably was.

Ryan:
[1:01:43] And then it became like a.

Wendy:
[1:01:44] Yeah.

Jill:
[1:01:45] Yeah.

Wendy:
[1:01:45] But in polite society, you want to make sure that you’re not causing faux pas. So in order to get across what you want to say without saying the mean thing, you just say, oh, bless your hearts. Yeah.

Ryan:
[1:01:56] We have corporate speak too in corporate America.

Wendy:
[1:01:58] Yes.

Ryan:
[1:01:59] Yeah. Corporate way of saying I don’t like you. exactly same thing yeah yep there you go but you learned so much on this show but you know what it’s time for the patrons now so we’re out of here become a patron you watch every wednesday until next time.