Michael:
[0:00] This week, we’re going to do our predictions for 2025, and they’re all going to be correct. You’ll see in 2026, or maybe not. We’re probably not going to look back on this. We’re also going to talk about satellites buzzing above your head. I mean, if you hear them, that’s going to be pretty bad because they’re supposed to be in orbit. But, you know, once you’re paranoid enough, we will even talk about an OS dedicated to shredding your data. Probably. If we have time, we might get to that. Welcome to Destination Linux, where we discuss the latest news, hot topics, gaming, mobile, and all things open source and Linux. My name is Michael, and with me are the auditors of the New Year’s Resolutions, Jill and Ryan.

Jill:
[0:41] Happy New Year from Destination Linux, everyone. And may all your penguin financial dreams come true with a career in Linux and open source.

Ryan:
[0:50] Wow, that was really sweet.

Michael:
[0:52] That’s a good one. I want that.

Ryan:
[0:54] As an auditor of New Year’s resolutions, I’m like the IRS version. I’m not like Jill’s going to be all happy there. Even if you complete your New Year’s resolution, you follow every rule, I’m still going to find an offense that you made and get rich off of it. So, happy New Year’s, everyone.

Michael:
[1:13] Such a positive way to start off the year. We will also be discussing some of the CES stuff, the highlights and stuff like that from this year’s 2025 CES. Which there is some pretty cool stuff to talk about. So at least there’s going to be some positive aspects. Now let’s get this show on the road toward Destination Linux.

Ryan:
[1:38] We’re going to go right into our community feedback. And this week, it comes from Chris. And Chris has this to say. I’m an avid. You know, Chris is the first person in 2025 to be on our show. like the first note, first email. Yeah. Congratulations, Chris. You made it to the first one of 2025. Chris is an avid PC enthusiast grown tired of OS that shall not be named Windows. I used to play with Linux.

Michael:
[2:06] I thought it shall not be named.

Ryan:
[2:07] Well, I like to break rules over here, Michael. I’m a rule breaker. In 2025, my new year’s resolution is to break some rules around here.

Michael:
[2:14] That’s the rebel of DL. We know who it is now.

Ryan:
[2:18] The rebel of Linux. They are so rebellious. Used to play with Linux many years ago, but found it lacking. About three months ago, I decided to give it another look and was completely blown away. I have mainly been enjoying Arch-based distros. Congratulations. You are like in the tier of Linux awesomeness. You’re approaching God level there with Arch Linux, which is great. Playing with Manjaro, catchy OS, and…

Michael:
[2:43] For those who are listening to the audio-only version, I rolled my eyes quite a bit with Ryan talking just then about Arch.

Ryan:
[2:51] Also played with Pop, Elementary, Zorin, Mint, and a few others. And unfortunately, they did say I definitely like KDE a great deal.

Jill:
[2:59] Nice.

Michael:
[3:00] Nice.

Ryan:
[3:01] I’m rolling my eyes a lot right now at Michael and his KDE.

Michael:
[3:05] For those who are listening to audio only version.

Ryan:
[3:09] They said, I’ve been video editing on Kdenlive. Cannot believe how improved LibreOffice has become over the years, as well as Okular, OnlyOffice, XN View, GIMP, and of course, Steam, Lutris, RetroArch, and so much other stuff that continues to blow me out of my chair. At this point, I know I am all in. I cannot believe I can spin up a new Linux box in a few hours where the previous OS would use would make me feel ill if I knew it was getting time to reinstall because it was so gummed up and I knew I was going to lose an entire weekend, putting Humpty Dumpty back together again. That’s a really good one.

Jill:
[3:42] I love that Humpty Dumpty back together.

Ryan:
[3:45] Somebody should make a cartoon of that, like Windows install, Humpty Dumpty, trying to put them back together again. um on Linux installs no matter how many applications i install reinstall it just does not seem to slow down or crash i mean that is one of the great reasons to be on Linux for sure i’m about to rebuild my desktop pc circa 2012 that recently went to pc heaven and i like chris chris has got a great way of writing that makes you visualize what he’s writing i’m picturing it exactly, I’ve primarily been using laptops for my Linux life. All have had extra drives installed because I have the distro hopper itch. The desktop PC is going to be built on an Asus ROG Strix x870e that can hold five, count them, five M2 NVMe drives. Perfect for a hopper as well as more SATA drives. Playing on five two terabyte drives should keep me busy for a while. Yeah, I think you have plenty of space. Michael actually needs that much space. And instead he runs like a 128 gigabyte drive that’s constantly full. And, you know, and he doesn’t.

Michael:
[4:52] I would like for you to be informed that this is no longer correct. Ryan was 100% correct about two years ago where I would be every episode like, hey, I only got 20 gigs left. Hold on. Let me let me clean some stuff up. And actually a couple of times it was under a gig that has happened.

Ryan:
[5:08] Hey, Jill, just recently, did we not have an episode where Michael ran out of space and he had to delete files?

Jill:
[5:13] Yeah, and partway through the episode, he had to delete files while we were recording.

Ryan:
[5:18] Do you want to maybe make it a New Year’s resolution this year, Michael, to be better?

Michael:
[5:25] Because that happened one time in the entire year. That is noteworthy.

Ryan:
[5:31] How many times did it happen to Jill? Jill.

Michael:
[5:35] That’s not important.

Ryan:
[5:35] How many times did it happen to me?

Michael:
[5:37] That’s not important. There’s literally nothing on your computer, Ryan, so it doesn’t even make sense.

Ryan:
[5:42] No, there’s a Batman wallpaper and a lot of college work. And that’s it. A lot of college papers, which truthfully don’t take up a lot of space.

Michael:
[5:50] Exactly. And I have to have all the source files for editing of the episodes and stuff like that. So it takes up space. But I would like more space. I could always…

Ryan:
[6:00] Listen, you’re interrupting Chris’s storytelling time.

Michael:
[6:03] I mean, you interrupted yourself.

Ryan:
[6:04] Technically uh chris says planning on an amd ryzen 9 7900 x and a 7900 x t gpu just wondering if amd is still the way to go versus team green for links compatibility better experience whereas nvidia caught up you may have covered this on your show but i just started listening to you about three months ago man i’m glad to have you on board chris i yeah i could tell you’re perfect for this show uh started from the beginning and i’m only up to shows from the year 2020 i like that they started from the beginning too.

Jill:
[6:34] I know. I was really impressed by that.

Ryan:
[6:36] Does this mean Chris won’t hear this till 2027 though?

Michael:
[6:39] It is quite possible.

Ryan:
[6:42] I don’t want to jump ahead.

Michael:
[6:43] I think the show started in 2018 I think. 2017 maybe. I don’t remember.

Ryan:
[6:49] I hope you hear this Chris. Really appreciate the history I’m learning by listening to the old shows. Thank you so much for all you do. I’m incredibly looking forward to contributing to this community. We’re looking forward to having you in the community Chris. Here’s my take on your question. And it’s an interesting time in the computer landscape. I can’t think of another time that it’s been quite this strange. NVIDIA still is not playing really well with Linux, but they’re doing better. OK, they’re better than they were in the past by long shot. When you get into situations where you need to utilize your video card for things like video rendering and stuff like that, is where NVIDIA really shines with their drivers. And AMD tends to put you a little bit behind in that space. Because for whatever reason, a lot of software is not written with AMD in mind. And what I’m talking about specifically is things that are like DaVinci Resolve and um would be one of the prime cases for that even with obs when you’re kind of even though there are some options it’s always been flaky with amd where you can kind of put the processing onto the gpu itself versus on your cpu.

Michael:
[8:06] Yeah the difference is that the the apis are not made by amd that i didn’t think for those for like the obs stuff and uh cuda stuff is like in vink for example i think is made by nvidia and that makes it easier for obs and then there’s but yeah that’s that’s pretty much the differences the davinci resolve thing is uh it’s a it’s notable for us because we like davinci resolve and there are you know some downsides of having amd that’s also not necessarily true just for Linux having amd on windows with davinci resolve is slightly less good. Still painful.

Jill:
[8:43] It is coming a long way. In fact, Blender just has new drivers for AMD GPUs, and it’s working much better than it used to.

Ryan:
[8:54] That was another one I was going to bring. I’m glad you brought that up, Jill, was Blender. So if none of those things bother you, and for 99.9% of the population they wouldn’t, AMD is still the best because you don’t have to go and install any extra drivers it’s going to work out of the box no matter what distro you use uh i think it’s the pricing for performance is way better on amd side because you’re going super high end here however we are going to talk here about CES and some new stuff nvidia’s dropping and then you’ve got what intel’s been doing recently which i think is really interesting now you’re in the high end market what you’re looking at here so intel’s probably off the board for the moment but um i think you’ve got a perfect machine picked out here so unless davinci resolve specifically is on your i have to have it list then uh i would say you’ve got a perfect build for a computer here yeah.

Michael:
[9:47] You can still do davinci resolve in Linux on amd it’s just not going to have all the best parts of it like not 100 of it will work well just it’ll be it’ll be good it’ll be overall good performance It just won’t be as fast rendering as you would with like the CUDA core stuff.

Jill:
[10:05] I think it’s, it’s wonderful. Actually the AMD Ryzen nine 7, 900 X, uh, is, uh, great, uh, a great pick. I actually have a 77, 700 X 3d that I picked up in August with a new motherboard and Ram from micro center. Cause you, they do those bundles and that’s, what’s in my rig right now.

Michael:
[10:30] Nice.

Ryan:
[10:31] Very nice. And I’m running AMD and I think Michael’s running AMD.

Michael:
[10:36] I’m running AMD, something, something, something. And then another something, something.

Ryan:
[10:41] Yeah. I have, I’m still on seven, 5800 X. So I’m, I’m way behind there. And, but I have the RX 6900 XT.

Michael:
[10:50] I have whatever the hellhound that you, you gave me was.

Ryan:
[10:55] What is that? Don’t even remember. It’s been so long.

Michael:
[10:57] It has that name, which is cool. And that’s about all I can tell you.

Ryan:
[11:01] And the box was dope. I remember that too.

Michael:
[11:03] It was a cool box too. Yeah.

Ryan:
[11:04] Yeah. You got a 6900 XT probably coming your way soon. We’ll probably do that trade again and I’ll upgrade it. Yeah. So Michael.

Jill:
[11:10] Oh, Michael needs that. I, I’m still rocking my RX. 6950. But in this machine, I have my Intel Arc A770.

Ryan:
[11:18] Is Jill throwing her money in our face right now?

Michael:
[11:21] I think she is.

Jill:
[11:22] No, no.

Michael:
[11:24] No, she’s not doing that. She’s throwing her collection in our face, though, for sure.

Ryan:
[11:27] Yeah, she is throwing her collection in our face. All right, well, I’m teasing, Jill. Chris, thank you so much for your feedback. I hope you actually hear this episode. And if anybody knows who Chris is, like, ping him and be like, hey, catch the latest episode because we talk about your email here. But if you want to get your email your thoughts your comments on the show go to destinationlinux.net/comments or destinationlinux.net/forum and submit them there we may pick it and you may get it on the show which is awesome because you get to be part of the show.

Michael:
[12:00] You’re the first part of the show and you get to help and create the content

Michael:
[12:05] for part of the show just by sending us some feedback and so we thank you for that and we also thank Sandfly security for sponsoring this episode of Destination Linux. Now, you chose Linux for its stability and security, but as threats grow more sophisticated every day, detecting them in time without putting your systems at risk is more critical than ever. Traditional endpoint agents can cause downtime and performance issues, leaving visibility gaps. And there must be a better way, Ryan.

Ryan:
[12:34] There has to be a better way. And you know what? Sandfly is that better way, Michael. I need people to understand Sandfly. They need to remember Sandfly because they need to go home, They need to go home and they need to type Sandfly in and go check out what we’re talking about here.

Michael:
[12:50] Well, they need to type in destinationlinux.net/sandfly

Ryan:
[12:53] That’s it.

Michael:
[12:53] And that takes them directly to all the details they need for Sandfly security, the agentless security platform for Linux. Sandfly not only does endpoint detection and response, but also performs SSH key tracking, password auditing, and drift detection to find the widest range of threats. Whether your servers are in the cloud, on-premises, or even embedded devices, Sandfly protects them all without the need for risky agent installations. Ken Kleiner, the senior security engineer at the University of Massachusetts, explains it best. He says, Sandfly is the first product I’ve seen that accurately and quickly detects thousands of signs of compromise on the Linux platform. Its unique method automates tasks that would be impossible to perform manually. Get fast, non-invasive protection for your critical systems. No agents, no downtime, just smarter security that works with Sandfly. Visit destinationlinux.net/sandfly to get all this stuff, including drift detection, which is going to be great for the Tokyo drift people. And Fast and Furious, they would definitely need that. So go to visit destinationlinux.net/sandfly

Michael:
[13:59] destinationlinux.net/sandfly to learn more.

Ryan:
[14:01] You know, we need to get Sandfly in people’s heads, Michael. So can we do something like Sandfly, apply directly to your forehead. Sandfly, apply directly to your forehead. Something to get it in their minds that we need them to go to destinationlinux.net/sandfly.

Michael:
[14:16] Sandfly, apply directly to your keyboard. Sandfly, apply directly to your keyboard.

Ryan:
[14:20] Apply directly to your Linux box. Yeah, absolutely. By the way, do you know what drift detection is? Drift detection is something really, really cool that they’re doing here.

Michael:
[14:28] I already told you, it’s from Fast and the Furious. It’s where you drift around a corner.

Ryan:
[14:32] Oh my God.

Michael:
[14:33] And that’s detecting that.

Ryan:
[14:35] Drift detection is very, very advanced technology to kind of look for unexpected or unauthorized changes in a system, which back in the day, this is true, I wanted to write a book on hacking, but it was going to be like a fictional book, right? And one of the concepts that I was trying to get with is what would be a perfect system to be anti-hacking, right? And one is detecting anomalies of the users. Like if you’re going in there and you typically do X, Y, Z, and then this day in there, you’re going ABC and it makes no sense because you’ve never downloaded 18 terabytes of data ever. Then a system goes in and detects that and says, Hey, something’s wrong here type of thing. I’m not saying that’s exactly how Sandfly is doing, but drift detection is really cool concepts. So when I was reading up on how they’re doing drift detection, I was like, that’s pretty dope. That’s pretty awesome. Something that looking at unauthorized or different changes going,

Ryan:
[15:29] on in the system all right michael we’re going to talk about predictions for 2025 now you mentioned i predict this segment’s.

Michael:
[15:35] Going to be great.

Ryan:
[15:36] And it might be long you rolled your eyes when you said that and so i feel like you were being a little bit never i would never there i would never be sarcastic uh our predictions this is a tradition we’ve done since the beginning of the show we have 402 episodes now so this is a lot of tradition this is a this.

Michael:
[15:57] Is a tradition that we have done since the beginning of the show and have skipped at least one year because we forgot.

Ryan:
[16:04] Shut up michael I remember I.

Michael:
[16:06] Remember that doing it I think it was like 2022 maybe yeah I.

Ryan:
[16:10] Don’t know like we’re on that show liar liar with jim carrey that he can’t not tell the truth and you just keep ruining my well the thing is because.

Michael:
[16:18] It’s funny that’s what I had to tell people.

Ryan:
[16:20] It’s funny.

Michael:
[16:21] But also So for those who are curious about what happened on our predictions of 2024, We don’t do that. You can go and see if we were right about stuff. We don’t even remember what we said.

Ryan:
[16:30] Please do, by the way.

Michael:
[16:31] Please let us know.

Ryan:
[16:31] If someone wants to write us and go back and listen to that episode, it probably happened sometime in January. So that’s your clue. And it could have been in December. Who knows? You know, I mean, I write these shows. Holidays are always right around the corner.

Michael:
[16:48] December or January, you’re pretty golden. You could find it somewhere around there. We also probably put 2024 or the word predictions in the title. We could easily go look ourselves.

Ryan:
[16:58] But we don’t know who was closest right now. But I did keep track utilizing some AI technology. I asked it to go back and tell us, for instance, Jill, you are 100% accurate, I found, in the AI predictions. And that is because, according to the AI, I would never say this, everything you chose for 2024, there was zero chance for it to be wrong. because jill picks predictions of things that are literally happening right now jill will be like you know I predict there will be drones flying around new york city uh for 2020 jill it’s already happened of course you’re gonna be right jill um so we’ll see uh if that is the same case this year uh and of course i was at 100 on mine but But Michael, on the other hand, we classify Michael as Michael’s the Jim Cramer of predictions of Linux. Like, do you know who Jim Cramer is, Michael?

Michael:
[17:56] Yes. Unfortunately, yes, I do. He’s the guy on CNN who likes to scream about money.

Ryan:
[18:03] Whatever he says a stock is going to go do good and he likes it, the stock drops and falls off.

Michael:
[18:08] Yes.

Ryan:
[18:08] And that’s Michael with predictions. He’s always 100% opposite of whatever Michael says is what will happen.

Michael:
[18:15] So that is not, I’m pretty confident that at least one of my predictions last year came true.

Jill:
[18:21] It did. It did. And I’m going to touch on that as well.

Ryan:
[18:24] Oh, really?

Michael:
[18:25] Oh, I don’t even remember what it was. So good.

Ryan:
[18:31] You know, I think I’m more like the AI of predictions. Like I hallucinate a little bit and therefore you can’t trust anything I’m about to tell you. So with all of that said. That’s exciting. I’ve just really set this up fantastically. Let’s get into our predictions for 2025. People are on the edge of their seat with that.

Michael:
[18:52] Without further ado, people. We did a lot of ado already, so no more. So, Ryan, what’s your first prediction?

Ryan:
[19:02] I was about to say it until you interrupted me to introduce it.

Michael:
[19:05] Oh, my bad. I guess more ado, apparently.

Ryan:
[19:11] Much ado about nothing. with the do anyways what does that mean to do you know i don’t know my first prediction is no one else you’re going to listen to in the podcast world is going to say adieu uh we’re the only podcast that will say that this year nailed it 100 um so i think the battle for desktop dominance is over it’s done nobody is going to care this year about what’s going on with the latest windows And I think even what you’re going to hear about the standard, when I say standard kind of reviews on Linux desktops, is going to start going mute. Everything is going to be about AI this year and AI integrations and where you can utilize AI and utilize it. The reason is it’s not like the 3D TV world or even the virtual reality world, which a lot of people got on to us when we were on Hardware Addict saying, hey, I’m not sure, even though there’s billions being invested in this, that virtual reality glasses are going to go anywhere. People got mad at us about this and were sending us all kinds of stuff about how VR is going to, but it still never really took off, took off. But AI, they’re spending billions on it. Everybody is. And it is taking off, right? It’s really being used in a million different ways.

Michael:
[20:27] VR is more like a maybe. AI is a definite 100%.

Ryan:
[20:29] It’s definite. So you’re going to see this crap on everything. Your laptop, your tablet. You’re going to have probably something on your wrist that’s AI. Your contacts will probably have AI. Your shoes are going to have AI. Your shoelaces will probably have AI in it. Your fingernails. All of that.

Michael:
[20:44] All of that, except for parts that are actually part of your body. I don’t think that that’s going to.

Ryan:
[20:47] Yeah, they’re going to put it everywhere, man. They’re going to stick AI in your Q-tips that you use to clean out your ears. Your toothbrush will be AI. Like everything’s just, you know, shovels. They’re all AI. Everything’s good.

Michael:
[21:00] I think AI is going to be a very dominant topic that we’re going to be covering much, much ado about AI later this year for sure. but i do think that there’s going to be a little bit of an exaggeration with what ryan is to i don’t think it’s going to go that far you know shoelaces sure that’s a given.

Ryan:
[21:19] But fingernails i mean sure that’s a given all right so that’s my prediction and i know it’s a little bit of safe one but what i’m saying that’s not safe in there because everyone’s like sure ai is going to take off is that you’re not going to hear a lot of conversation about the os versions and stuff everything’s going to be about what can it do with ai so i don’t care about what the android release is what the new apple release is it’s just going to be what can the ai do differently than the other devices that’s where i’m saying it’s going to happen all right michael what’s your prediction my.

Michael:
[21:53] First prediction is about desktop Linux or specifically a the cosmic desktop is going to be sort of released not.

Ryan:
[22:02] Exactly have ai uh.

Michael:
[22:04] At some point it will.

Ryan:
[22:05] Nobody cares then if it doesn’t matter.

Michael:
[22:08] I highly disagree with that.

Ryan:
[22:10] I had to match it with my prediction, you know?

Michael:
[22:12] Oh, okay. But I think that the Cosmic Desktop is going to get to a relatively stable release. I don’t think it’s going to get to like maybe a 1.0. It might. But I feel like by the end of the year, we’re at least going to have a release candidate. We’ll be done with the alphas and betas by the end of the year is what I’m saying.

Ryan:
[22:28] It’s come so far. There was just release notes showing off some of the cool things that they’ve put into Cosmic. And if you’re not keeping up with that System76, go check out their website. Go check out what they’re doing with Cosmic. It’s incredible. I’m super excited about that this year. All right, Jill, what is your prediction for 2025?

Jill:
[22:50] Okay, SteamOS is going to be ready soon for all devices. and a new Steam machine is going to be released.

Ryan:
[22:59] Okay, so when you say Steam machine, you’re not talking about a Steam deck.

Jill:
[23:03] No.

Ryan:
[23:03] You mean the old computer, like mini computer that you would plug in and be able to run your game.

Jill:
[23:09] Into your TV or.

Ryan:
[23:09] Yeah. That’s interesting.

Jill:
[23:11] Yeah, I really think, I just have this feeling from listening to a lot of the devs from Valve and it seems like they’re hinting at it a bit. But because they’ve already made it SteamOS 3 compatible with the Lenovo Legion Go S, which is on display at CES.

Michael:
[23:36] Yeah, they’ve announced that it’s going to have SteamOS capability, which is very cool. And I think that you are right to most of what you said. I think there will be more devices. I think there might even be Steam machines in the sense of consoles that are Steam Deck-related type of thing where SteamOS as a gaming solution i think the steam machine is is not necessarily guaranteed but it’s a it’s a possible i don’t think that the general usage version of it is going to come out this year and i’m actually going to make a crazy prediction that if it does come out it will be maybe next year at the earliest but i’m leaning more towards it’s not this that what is out now SteamOS for like the handhelds and the gaming stuff will not come out as a desktop thing. interesting you know i think that might come out has to release.

Ryan:
[24:32] Some new hardware to remain relevant now why i say that is because they’ve been attacked at every corner from the handheld devices and they’ve survived that they absolutely have the top handheld but uh and that and that includes the things like rog and others who’ve released lenovo released theirs and stuff that they’re pretty nice machines but they run windows and it’s kind of clunky and i think most people want a steam deck uh still on their christmas list and things so um but like even at CES 2025 we’re not going to cover this particular one but there was a i think it’s rog doing a gigantic screened one it’s like 11 inch screen oh yeah yeah it looks really cool and.

Michael:
[25:18] If you’ve ever played.

Ryan:
[25:19] With these like i think the bigger the screen it’s going to be like the phone wars it’s gonna go big screen big screen bigger screen um.

Michael:
[25:27] There is a sweet spot when it comes to handhelds i think the steam deck is the biggest you can possibly get it because after a certain amount of time playing on a steam deck i’m annoyed by how heavy it is the bigger the screen the more heavy it will be and i don’t want that at all not.

Ryan:
[25:44] If they make it out of oyster shells.

Michael:
[25:46] That we’ll get to that in a bit that’s in the CES section but but i just real real quick though i do think that the the SteamOS thing like what i’m saying is that i don’t think that what is the current state of SteamOS is going to be uh made into a desktop version i think okay it’ll be in machines i just don’t think it’s going to be made for general purpose like pc style stuff because then that introduces a lot of support and headache and stuff like that that they have not seemed to be interested in doing and the whole steam deck is like is completely isolated to a a certain set of hardware. They’ve now made it SteamOS compatible with more hardware, but they’re still on the sense of like talking to manufacturers and making sure they know exactly what the hardware is and that sort of stuff. When you go into the general PC thing, you’re having to support tons of different hardware. Like you’re starting to have support printers and all this other stuff that is not necessarily valuable to a gaming platform.

Ryan:
[26:43] Linux does all that for you, you know?

Jill:
[26:44] Although I think SteamOS is going to be compatible with NVIDIA GPUs and Intel Arc this year.

Ryan:
[26:50] Mm.

Michael:
[26:50] I think that that’s possible.

Ryan:
[26:52] Jill, it wasn’t your turn. That was a sneaky prediction. Jill snuck that one in there. Jill’s giving you all extra predictions.

Michael:
[27:00] I like it. I like it.

Ryan:
[27:02] Extra helpings, as they say in the South. All right. My second prediction is tech-related, again, that I believe Intel will start making a comeback this year. I know. I know. It doesn’t seem possible, but they got rid of their terrible CEO. So that was a huge win, which I’ve been calling for since we were doing Hardware Addicts podcast.

Ryan:
[27:21] The new Intel Battlemage Arc B cards are super impressive. I was so happy that they came out targeting a sub $300 video card, which I think is desperately needed in this market because people don’t have $1,900 to spend on a video card. Some people do. I don’t. I’m happy for the people that do, but a lot of us don’t have that kind of money to throw out a video card. So like, this is awesome. This allows other people to get into PC gaming because PC gaming, gaming, we talked about in the last episode, kind of dying, like it’s going through this revolution. It’s not dying, but it’s going through this time where it’s going to need a major shift. Like indie developers are creating way more exciting things than the big studios right now, as an example of what I’m talking about. So I think that having an ability to build a computer with a decent video card to allow you to do some 1440p gaming on sub $300 is very much needed because right now you can build a whole machine. Like my son wanted a computer for Christmas at one point. And when I was pricing it out, it was fine until I got and added the video card. Because any variation of video card adds a minimum of $700 plus that can game the games he wants to play onto the ticket. And now it’s like a $2,000 Christmas present. And it’s like, no, I can’t do that. So this allows you to do something, build a machine.

Ryan:
[28:47] Be able to game with that at a very reasonable price at $300.

Ryan:
[28:51] Intel did a really smart move tackling that, and I think their battle mage line is only getting better. So I think Intel is ripe for a turnaround. Their CPUs need a complete overhaul. They’re lacking in AI innovation space, but I think that there is… ripe opportunity with a new CEO taking the place, the fact that they’re going to have the fabrication plant that I don’t think the government can let fail for them to do something very exciting because Intel has some of the greatest engineers in the world working for them. I think they can do something here under the right leadership. So that’s my prediction.

Michael:
[29:26] Yeah, I hope you’re right. That’d be fantastic. And I think that there’s a lot of potential for what Intel is doing. And also, finally we’re at a point where these companies are making models of things that are actually cool names like battle mage and art these are good names it’s not like 24 i 6 7 106 q xt.

Jill:
[29:52] Agreed and right i actually put down that as one of my predictions too that intel is coming up in the world and on the rise again. And you nailed it with the ARC B580 when talking about that because now you can actually build a $500 gaming rig because you can get ARC B580 for $250, and then the B570 is going to be $220 or under. So finally you can build that $500 machine again. It’s been a long time.

Ryan:
[30:26] And Intel has been so good to open source. Like I want them to do well. Like for a while they were, they were kind of like arrogant. And back when I was saying AMD was going to take over, remember how much people gave me crap for that? And I was right. I told y’all, but I think that, I think Intel has learned their lesson about arrogance. And I think with the CEO being gone, we can have a new era of leadership that comes in.

Michael:
[30:53] I think it took them way too long to learn their lesson, but finally they have.

Jill:
[30:56] They finally have. And I actually predict that they’re going to release a 24 gig battle mage GPU for AI development and professional workloads this year. I’ve just been hearing rumblings about it. And I think it’s going to happen. I really do. And that would really, you know, finally launch them into the GPU space on the professional level. yeah and um i’m i’ve just i’ve been so again like i said earlier in the show i’ve been so impressed with the improvements and speed and performance with every mesa update and Linux kernel update for my rx um for my intel arc a770 so i’m using it right now and it’s working beautifully that’s awesome i love that we have.

Ryan:
[31:38] Someone on the show with that card that can.

Jill:
[31:40] Speak to its compatibility with Linux.

Ryan:
[31:42] Really. I think that’s awesome. All right, Michael, what’s your second prediction?

Michael:
[31:47] My second prediction is that the end of Windows 10 is going to be massively beneficial for Linux. And this one is actually, this is the more stronger claim. I think that’s clear that that’s already kind of happening now. The stronger claim here is, and Linux will finally be ready for the opportunity and take advantage of it.

Ryan:
[32:09] No, exactly. Good one, Michael. Well, there was rumors out there that Microsoft was going to lower its system requirements, for Windows 11 because people were saying…

Michael:
[32:25] Because people are incredibly annoyed and mad at Microsoft. So finally, Microsoft decided to pull back those things and then be like, hey, we’re not going to…

Ryan:
[32:34] It’s just a rumor.

Michael:
[32:35] It’s exactly what they always do. Even if they do come out and say, hey, we’re not going to have these rules, then people are like, okay, it’s going to be great. and then three months pass and then they put those rules back in as a reminder recall is a thing they pulled back they’re doing recall and then all of a sudden hey guess what everything we already said is going to happen is still going to happen nothing changed that’s the Microsoft way.

Ryan:
[32:59] I agree, man. It’s going to be good for Linux for sure. I’ve never seen more excitement, I think, for Linux out there.

Michael:
[33:08] I think that Wayland is actually much closer than we think it is. But I do think that that’s the only… The Wayland X combination is the only iffy thing. I think everything else… All the software… Pipewire is great. There’s so much good stuff. like system d is actually pretty good i know people are gonna be like how dare you hate mail to i know comments at destination linux.net um and also there’s also the the other stuff that there’s the tons of great benefits to the the audio server stuff the gaming is improved thanks to valve and all these benefits that we have now that weren’t there you know during the windows those eight fiasco, we have like such a huge advancement at this point. I feel like there actually is a chance that we are going to be ready.

Ryan:
[33:59] Talked about earlier. He had tried Linux in the past was like now negative. And now he’s trying it and is like, holy, this is incredible. Like you could see the excitement, uh, and, and discovering things. I miss that. You know, that first time you discovered Linux is awesome. Like, that’s a great feeling.

Michael:
[34:15] It is a great feeling. I, it’s been so long. I don’t remember that feeling, but I imagine it’s great.

Jill:
[34:21] I was just happy to get it working on a CRT back in 1992.

Ryan:
[34:27] I’m glad I did not join Linux bandwagon back then. I’m going to tell you all. I hear the stories. I’m pretty happy I joined when I did it. I hit it right at the right moment.

Michael:
[34:37] You are correct for not having used it back then. Even most of the people who used it back then, as both Jill and I, not in 92, but I still used it in the 90s, very late 90s. and it was it was it was an adventure that’s a nice way of saying disaster isn’t it yeah that was.

Ryan:
[34:56] Part of the club it was painful and if you could pass it you earned your badge of being.

Michael:
[35:01] A Linux there was that aspect there was that and there’s people who still kind of like lean on to that saying hey this is like if you’re a Linux user you know it should be I’ve seen people have said it should be yeah no it should not that thing should be difficult you should be easy to use it should be you know But I get their point.

Ryan:
[35:18] Once it opens up and becomes super popular, people come in and ruin things when it becomes popular.

Michael:
[35:23] That’s the beauty of Linux is that it’s very hard to corrupt a system that is designed to allow you to do whatever you want. Yes, of course, if Microsoft wanted to do it, they could definitely corrupt their own stuff. But you don’t have to use Microsoft kind of thing or pick another company that’s also going to do terrible stuff. There’s ways around it. And for the most part, as long as there’s more than one option.

Ryan:
[35:44] Pretty good all right my third prediction is that we will see new hacks and exploits of which have never even been contemplated in history of computing this year and mr bummer with the use of quantum computing ai and right the government leaders all of them acting like five-year-olds in a five-by-five sandbox with one shovel uh i think we’re going to have actors utilizing the most sophisticated industry hacks in the world. I’m talking like Israel level centrifuge explosion stuff and propaganda that looks so real, like fact checkers won’t even be able to determine whether it was something that actually happened or didn’t. This is actually already getting a lot of people. There was this situation. I may have talked about it on the show, but I was on YouTube and it was Elon Musk live streaming. And I thought that’s interesting. Now this is a while ago. This is before all of the Paul, he got involved. I think it’s even before he bought Twitter. Um, but he was live streaming. I clicked on it. I’m watching it and he’s selling Bitcoin.

Ryan:
[37:01] He’s talking about this Bitcoin and he’s saying, send me, send me your, your, um, I think it was like etherum or something. If you send me one etherum, I’m going to send you five Bitcoin back. And I’m like, well, that sounds too good to be true. Because he’s like, I’m going to make cryptocurrency huge and all of this stuff. And there were so many people in the chat, probably a lot of them fake, but all like, oh, I got mine. I got mine. I got mine. All of this stuff going on.

Ryan:
[37:27] And I realized the whole thing was a scam pretty easily, but there were a lot of people who didn’t. They were using an AI version of Elon Musk. But it was so realistic, Michael. I’m telling you, they had the lip movements down. It looked like he was live. You know how sometimes you see AI and you’re like, yeah, I know that’s AI. I couldn’t tell. That’s what didn’t throw me. What threw me was there’s no way he’s giving away that many Bitcoin for this thing. This whole thing just doesn’t add up.

Michael:
[37:54] And also, why would he be giving it away, but also requiring you to send other things to do it?

Ryan:
[37:59] Send stuff to him to give it away. Yeah, like that was what told me it was a scam. But if I was just looking at the screen, I would be like, that’s him live streaming and he’s really doing this, right? And so what I’m getting at is the most trusted celebrities, not saying he’s a trusted one, but I’m saying your most trusted celebrities or vocal points. Heck, even Michael, maybe AI reproduced out there telling you to send him some Bitcoin and it’s fake. How will you know? How will you know? You got to ask him questions.

Michael:
[38:25] I can tell you up front, I will not be doing that. So if you see me saying that, it’s not me.

Ryan:
[38:30] It’s definitely not him.

Jill:
[38:31] So Ryan, he can’t be because the AI that you made of Michael only fits on a floppy disk.

Ryan:
[38:37] That’s right. I got his whole brain. By the way, that’s a real project, people. If you go on my GitHub for DOS Geek, you will see Michael AI there. It is some of the most advanced code ever written. Please contribute to it. My point is, though, your privacy is going to be exploited in ways you can’t even imagine, ways I can’t even imagine. And people are not prepared for the level of sophistication that AI and quantum computing is going to bring into the world. We’re going to talk about that some more, I think, in a later episode, because I want to get deeper into it. But you have to start thinking with some of the stuff we’re going to talk about that even come out in CES, that these computers now that are being released are so powerful that is encryption-based. even going to matter at a certain point.

Michael:
[39:25] We’re getting to a point that like the fact that quantum computing is at a point where it might be a like products and stuff that’s coming out in the not that far away future and we were talking about how quantum computing was going to destroy, encryption algorithms back like 15 20 years ago like it was just when this happens it’s not even like necessarily guaranteed but every every expert on the topic was a suit was like basically saying if it doesn’t break it, it would be shocking. So I feel like there’s a very high likelihood that this is going to break stuff. And hopefully there will also be encryption algorithms that use quantum as soon as possible, as fast as those break, because we have to kind of start from scratch at that point. So that could be- Well.

Ryan:
[40:12] We have lived in a world in Linux where we have not had to utilize antiviruses and threat detection tools and stuff like that for personal computing. Businesses should always have that. But on personal computers, but things like Sandfly that we have as a sponsor, that legitimately we may need start needing products like that for our personal computers to put on them. We definitely need it for your servers if you have any, but we may need stuff like that for our personal computers to do like drift detection and other things like that to figure out these type of hacks and manipulations.

Michael:
[40:46] And right now you get Sandfly for free of up to 20 instances. So there’s that.

Ryan:
[40:49] There’s that. Oh, look at that.

Jill:
[40:51] Well, the other good thing about quantum computing, though, is going to be what IBM Watson originally years ago brought to the world is –, Finding cures for diseases, the healthcare industry, for me, that’s one of the things I’m so excited about with quantum computing.

Ryan:
[41:09] Jill, quit being positive.

Michael:
[41:10] Yeah, see, Ryan, let me explain what’s going on here. When we both come with negative comments, Jill comes with positive, and then we are now disappointed in ourselves for not having thought of those benefits.

Ryan:
[41:22] We’re like, oh, Jill’s like, it’s going to be cancer, it’s going to do this. And we’re all like, it’s going to kill you, it’s going to be Terminator.

Michael:
[41:29] Going to destroy everything. Okay, you’re right. We now change our position to Jill’s.

Ryan:
[41:35] Yes, that’s my prediction now. All right, Jill, what is your third prediction?

Jill:
[41:39] Okay, mine is actually one that Michael had done last year. The Linux desktop will gain even more market share than in 2024. And of course, that’s an easy one.

Ryan:
[41:52] She picked the guarantee win.

Jill:
[41:54] I wanted to pick the one that Michael did last year.

Ryan:
[41:57] Did Michael pick that?

Michael:
[41:58] And he.

Jill:
[41:59] Even went on Linux Unplugged and talked about it.

Michael:
[42:02] So I think on so on, Unplugged I said 5% and I think on DL I said 4% to kind of balance like I’m going to be right on one of these and it was right it was 4.8 4.7% so that’s awesome and we almost got to 5% we were so close to 5% I feel like it’s guaranteed What’s it going to be this year.

Ryan:
[42:27] Michael? Give me the number.

Michael:
[42:29] More than 5%.

Jill:
[42:30] 10. 10%.

Ryan:
[42:32] Wow. You really, you really ripped it there, Michael. All right. What’s your third prediction?

Michael:
[42:38] So for those who are, have listened to the latest episode of Lettings Unplugged, I’m going to do another one that I pulled from that because it’s, it’s my, it’s my prediction, you know, obviously. So I wanted to do it because I just feel like it’s such a cool.

Ryan:
[42:49] You have to keep pulling the same one because it doesn’t happen or what?

Michael:
[42:52] No, I just wanted, I just think it, I just think it’s a cool, it’s, it’s a cool prediction that I wanted to put on DL as well. And that is… This year, in some form or another, we’re going to get KDE Linux.

Ryan:
[43:05] KDE Linux. Like…

Jill:
[43:07] An official KDE.

Ryan:
[43:07] We already have KDE desktop. You’re sending… And we have KDE Neon.

Michael:
[43:11] No, an OS that is made by KDE for, like, showing the best possible way of having KDE on a distro.

Ryan:
[43:20] Isn’t that KDE Neon?

Michael:
[43:21] No, definitely not. No. Neon is like a playground for enthusiasts.

Ryan:
[43:27] Okay.

Michael:
[43:28] Like, it’s an adventure to go on.

Ryan:
[43:30] I thought that’s what they used to test all the best features.

Michael:
[43:32] But that’s not, no, no, I’m not talking about testing. I’m talking about, like, usability, general purpose OS. Nice desktop. So, like, but yes, you’re right. Neon is like a testing bed, whereas I’m saying they’re going to make a full-blown.

Ryan:
[43:44] Like a stable distro.

Michael:
[43:46] Yeah.

Ryan:
[43:46] Yeah. But it’s going to be KDE. Interesting. All right.

Michael:
[43:49] It might not be called KDE Linux.

Ryan:
[43:51] But it’s going to be based on Ubuntu?

Michael:
[43:54] I don’t think so.

Ryan:
[43:56] It’s going to be based on Arch. That’s pretty brilliant. Good job, Petey.

Michael:
[43:59] It’s possible. I think it’s going to be based on either Fedora or Arch. Maybe OpenSUSE of Tumbleweed. Maybe.

Ryan:
[44:07] Ooh, that would be exciting. Nobody does an OpenSUSE of Tumbleweed spinoff like that. I mean, there’s a couple out there, but there’s not many. Yeah. All right. So those are our predictions. It is now your job. That’s right. We’re not going to pay you for it, but it’s your job to hold us accountable for to our predictions. So 12 months from now, you need to be prepared to fact check us and send us an email and say, hey, Jill was 100% correct. Ryan was 100% correct. And Michael indeed is the Jim Cramer of predictions.

Michael:
[44:41] That is not at all what’s going to happen. But also more importantly, the reason why Ryan is saying this is because it’s up to you to keep track of this. Let us know because we’re not going to.

Ryan:
[44:52] Because we’re lazy. That’s what we’re saying at the end of the day, Mike.

Michael:
[44:56] We’re so lazy.

Ryan:
[44:57] We refuse to go back ourselves.

Michael:
[45:00] We went back one year.

Ryan:
[45:02] We could literally just look at our predictions in the show notes. It would probably take 10 minutes.

Michael:
[45:07] We’d have to go into review and see, did a distribution do the thing we said? We’d have to go and research.

Ryan:
[45:14] We’re open sourcing this to the community.

Jill:
[45:16] There we go.

Michael:
[45:18] We’re crowdsourcing it. So if you want to be a participant in the prediction solution results, you can let us know.

Ryan:
[45:26] I bet Chris right now is going, maybe I don’t want to be part of this community after all.

Michael:
[45:30] No, no. He’s got at least a year or so before he gets to that episode.

Jill:
[45:34] Yeah.

Ryan:
[45:36] All right. Our new story that we’re going to cover is CES highlights. I’m very excited about some of these because Michael would not shut up during the predictions part. We are running out of time. So we’re going to have to go pretty quick through some of these.

Michael:
[45:49] You’re the one who had three super long predictions.

Ryan:
[45:52] Oh, man. I did have some. It really is my fault this time. The first thing I want to talk about is NVIDIA’s Blackwell RTX 50 series GPUs being launched. The GeForce RTX 5070, 5070 Ti, 5080, and 5090. With the last one being the most powerful card NVIDIA has ever produced. Yeah. That’s like Apple saying, this is their new iPhone. This is the most advanced iPhone ever. Well, of course it is because it’s the latest.

Michael:
[46:20] It’s the newest one and also it’s slightly better than the previous one. So yes, I think that’s fair to say. It’s the most powerful one they have ever made. It’s also one that you can’t deny that they’re doing that because it’s like all they have to do is like slightly, like maybe half a percent better and it’s still true.

Ryan:
[46:36] Now, NVIDIA has come out with a very, very fair price of just $1,999 for the 5090. So for the low.

Michael:
[46:46] Low price of $1,999.

Ryan:
[46:51] You can own the 5090. Yeah, that is cool how they went $1 below 2,000. That is marketing 101, Michael, right there.

Michael:
[47:01] Well, if you get it in the US, you had to add tax to that. So it’s going to be $2,200-ish with tax.

Ryan:
[47:06] Yeah, for the low, low price.

Jill:
[47:08] Now your desktop GPU will be as much as the original NVIDIA Titan for development and workstation.

Ryan:
[47:19] Your entire computer will cost less than your GPU. Your entire computer. And I include in that a monitor and a keyboard. Your motherboard, your CPU, your power supply, your RAM. Everything is still going to be cheaper than just your GPU.

Michael:
[47:36] Also, probably your desk included too. Like include the desk.

Jill:
[47:39] Absolutely.

Michael:
[47:40] Maybe not the house, but the rest, every component inside the room.

Jill:
[47:43] Probably.

Ryan:
[47:44] It’s incredible. If you get one of these, please take pictures of it. Let us see some of the work you’re doing with Linux. I would love to see somebody take the 5090 and do Linux with it. Like do some benchmarks and gaming and stuff.

Michael:
[47:58] That would be awesome. And also, this is kind of funny because you’re basically saying, yes, please throw your money in our face. We would like to see.

Ryan:
[48:05] Yeah. Throw your money in our face and let us see some benchmarks. Post it in our battle stations on Discord.

Michael:
[48:10] That would be awesome.

Ryan:
[48:11] I would love to see it. But I think the star of the lineup is actually their 5070. This is actually very cool. The 5070 is promising performance on par with the GeForce RTX 4090. Now, 4090 was their flagship card, the best of the best. It cost like $1,500, I want to say.

Michael:
[48:32] Was this last year?

Ryan:
[48:33] Yeah last year 15 12 to 1500 and the 50 70 sketch is promising performance that’s close to that specifically jill in its uh ability to do ai rendering and things deal yeah the.

Jill:
[48:51] Deep learning super sampling.

Ryan:
[48:52] Yep yeah and so that card is 549 bucks wow that is very fair i think that’s.

Michael:
[49:01] A decent price, especially if it’s going to be the difference between the 4090 and the 570. I don’t feel like, They had enough time in engineering for a single year to get that much of an involvement. They had to have already planned this. I guess it just doesn’t make sense that they were like, oh, well, you know, if we did this one thing and in like six months we’ll have time to do it. That is not typically how manufacturing works. There’s usually a lot of ramp up. So to me, it feels kind of weird that the 570, the lowest tier of the 50 series, is somehow comparable to the top tier of the last year.

Ryan:
[49:38] But you have to keep in mind, in one year, NVIDIA went from a company worth hundreds of billions to worth $3 trillion.

Michael:
[49:47] I suppose they could have just cranked out the R&D insanely.

Ryan:
[49:50] You start having a lot of money for research and development. You get $3 trillion invested in you. Yeah, that’s fair. But you might be partially right there as well. But I think when you start getting into the benchmarks of the gaming and stuff like that, Jill, I don’t think this card is going to be as fast as a 4090.

Jill:
[50:08] No.

Ryan:
[50:08] What they’re saying, though, is that it has capabilities in certain areas to match the 4090, which is still extraordinarily impressive. And I feel bad for everybody who bought a 4090 out there. Try to get that sold on eBay real quick. Then, Michael, there’s this other exciting thing. Acer got a new environmentally friendly laptop, the Aspire Vero 16. I want you to remember that name because when I tell you about this machine, you’re going to want to go out and buy it. That’s Aspire, A-S-P-I-R-E, Vero 16.

Michael:
[50:42] Vero 16. Okay, cool. An environmental-friendly laptop. Now, how is that so?

Ryan:
[50:48] It’s made from oyster shells.

Michael:
[50:51] What?

Ryan:
[50:53] It really is made from oyster shells.

Michael:
[50:58] Okay, so environmentally friendly, not oyster-friendly, apparently.

Ryan:
[51:03] Nine out of ten oysters hate this idea, I heard.

Jill:
[51:07] Aww. Yeah.

Michael:
[51:08] I would assume they’re probably protesting.

Jill:
[51:10] It’s usually they’re dead husks that you find on the beach. I actually have hundreds of them myself.

Ryan:
[51:15] Oh, Jill, are you making an Acer Vero 16?

Jill:
[51:18] No, but I have hundreds. I used to even do paintings with oyster shells.

Ryan:
[51:24] Yeah. Acer does this by cleaning, crushing, and mixing said shells, which are abundant in China with a blend of more than 70% post-consumer recycled plastic. So it’s a cute idea. Like I think it’s kind of neat to know that, you know, you’ve got these because they’re not alive at the point they’re doing this. They’re just abandoned shells. Right, Jill?

Jill:
[51:45] Yeah. Yep. And there’s yeah, there’s thousands of.

Michael:
[51:48] OK, so it’s abandoned shells. So it’s just it’s just the shells. OK, that’s not so bad. Yeah, I suppose. But it is like an interesting idea of being able to do it.

Ryan:
[51:58] Really interesting. Yeah.

Michael:
[51:59] I mean, I don’t think that most people are going to care even in the slightest, but it is an interesting way of doing it because of the fact that we have this huge, problem of, You know, just landfills filled with stuff that is perfectly fine, but it’s arbitrarily glued together and stuff like that. So maybe they could, it wouldn’t be as bad if the materials are natural materials.

Jill:
[52:21] Yeah, organic materials. Maybe they could degrade better.

Michael:
[52:23] Yeah, that kind of thing.

Jill:
[52:24] Yeah.

Michael:
[52:24] But also, in addition to this, they should make it where you can replace the battery. That’d be cool.

Ryan:
[52:30] Oh, wow. No, let’s not go too far, Michael. That would be framework level of engineering.

Michael:
[52:36] I wasn’t even saying modularity.

Jill:
[52:39] Just the battery that’s.

Michael:
[52:40] All i’m saying.

Jill:
[52:40] Well earlier when i was talking about painting with them i just want to specify i used to make collages with them um we had a house in mexico on the beach that i grew up at and i used to make collages with the uh with all different kinds of shells but the oyster shells were my favorite and you could also ground them up and i’d use them in my paint so that was cool.

Michael:
[53:05] How is it.

Jill:
[53:06] Possible ryan that.

Michael:
[53:08] Jill has a story a personal story.

Jill:
[53:10] About everything that we have ever covered on the show like.

Michael:
[53:14] Even oyster shell laptop we were like.

Jill:
[53:17] There’s no way jill’s gonna.

Michael:
[53:19] Have a topic just a story.

Jill:
[53:20] She did listen how do you think she.

Ryan:
[53:24] Earned the nicknamed the shucker uh amongst.

Jill:
[53:28] The oyster community you know she.

Ryan:
[53:33] She is known to take out some oysters so that.

Jill:
[53:36] Is that.

Michael:
[53:38] Is not her nickname but it might be.

Jill:
[53:39] Now can we can we get her.

Ryan:
[53:41] A shirt that says i’m team jill i’m.

Jill:
[53:44] Team oh man that’s good nice all right samsung.

Ryan:
[53:53] And lg decided TVs need more privacy invasive technology because there’s just not enough.

Michael:
[53:58] Oh, Samsung’s gotten worse. It’s shocking.

Ryan:
[54:00] Yeah.

Michael:
[54:01] Shocking.

Ryan:
[54:01] So they slapped in some co-pilot to their latest television set. So remember what I said? Fingernails, shoelaces, everything. You know, it starts with the major stuff, but eventually they’re going to run out of ideas and it’s going to get into everything. You’re going to have it, Q-tips.

Michael:
[54:19] This is very sad news. I mean, LG, I’m surprised because they have historically not done ridiculous stuff in their TVs. At least the one I have is fine. I specifically got it because it didn’t have any of the nonsense in it. And now they’re a part of it too. But Samsung, no one is surprised by Samsung doing horrible stuff with their products.

Ryan:
[54:42] Just read their privacy policy and then, you know, fringe. then.

Michael:
[54:47] And then uh you have to go into the corner and cry because if you have a samsung device um but adding copilot is just literally i don’t know of anyone who likes copilot there are people even talking about how they hate their new keyboard or their new laptop because it comes with a copilot key and like how do i get rid of this.

Ryan:
[55:04] Stupid key.

Michael:
[55:05] Like no one likes this stuff like i.

Ryan:
[55:09] Copilot was okay for a while but it’s so far behind in fact i think chat gpt is pretty far behind like uh now they have like a 999 subscription or some stupid thing i don’t remember what it is to get the latest version of it but you know what makes those ais worthless to me is they don’t have anything modern in them so they like stop i think the latest uh gpt is 2024 uh maybe 2020 early 2024 and so if you think it’s 2024 that.

Michael:
[55:40] Was a week ago people yeah.

Ryan:
[55:41] Early 2024 so if you ask it about current events what i’m talking about is it has no clue it can’t do anything a lot of them won’t even render like give you readouts on website links and other stuff copilot is really fallen pretty far behind and frankly so is chat gpt there are so many claude and others that i find superior to those that yeah um grok claude uh gemini i think it’s better yeah yeah gemini i had i’m gonna have to check out gemini again because i wasn’t a fan of it for a while gemini has gotten better.

Michael:
[56:13] When it comes to the actual chat bot system where you ask it specific questions. However, it’s gotten so much worse for the stupid search function where it gives you the answer in the AI version.

Jill:
[56:26] Oh, I know.

Michael:
[56:26] It’s always awful. It’s never right.

Jill:
[56:29] Yes, that is annoying.

Michael:
[56:31] But anyway, that’s a different topic. Let’s talk about how Samsung and LG are ruining TVs.

Ryan:
[56:37] No, they’re throwing AI in it. And so just part of the prediction. NVIDIA, though, one more time for NVIDIA here, they launched a $3,000 Mac mini clone. This, however, is an AI supercomputer using an unbenchmarked, so we don’t know exactly what it’s going to be capable of doing, GB10 chip. But we do know that it’s capable of a petaflop of floating point performance. A petaflop, Michael.

Michael:
[57:03] A petaflop, yes. Obviously, I know what that is. I actually do know what the term petaflop means, but I don’t necessarily know what that means.

Ryan:
[57:12] What does the term petaflop mean, Michael?

Michael:
[57:14] I mean, it’s the different, the tier, it’s like a thousand teraflops, right? So it’s teraflop, then petaflop, petaflop, petaflop?

Jill:
[57:24] Yeah, you got it.

Michael:
[57:26] Okay. It just, after I said it a couple times, it sounded wrong in my head. I don’t know if that makes any sense, but that sounded wrong after a while. But it’s the performance level of the floating point and whatever that is.

Ryan:
[57:38] It’s like 10 to the 15th power in performance, like, of what it’s doing here. So this is so impressive, Michael, that you could take a large AI model. So not some little small thing, but an entire inference large AI model of 200 billion different parameters, put it on this computer, and it could seamlessly run it without any problems. Like 200 billion parameters of information and logic and AI means like we’re talking the full original chat GPT level sitting on a desktop computer.

Michael:
[58:17] Okay, that’s pretty cool. That’s pretty cool.

Jill:
[58:19] Yeah, it’s the predecessor to a quantum computer, a little baby mini one.

Ryan:
[58:24] Right. And we don’t know what fully this thing could do, but we were talking about NVIDIA is going to get into the chip market.

Jill:
[58:29] Yeah.

Ryan:
[58:29] It’s interesting when you think about a $1,999 GPU is so expensive and these GPUs are getting so expensive, but what if the new computers are just the GPU processors? You know, NVIDIA puts a little chip there, a little like ARM, big little architecture.

Michael:
[58:46] That would make a lot of sense why it costs an extra $1,000.

Ryan:
[58:48] Because it’s exactly and now you don’t need to buy all those other cpu and motherboard because you basically got a single board that does all of the stuff right there on it and it makes sense that nvidia is going to go that direction at some point i think this is the first step towards it.

Michael:
[59:04] I haven’t seen this particular device it how close to a mac mini size is it.

Ryan:
[59:10] Like almost exactly.

Jill:
[59:12] Exactly.

Michael:
[59:12] Wow. That’s crazy to be able to be that powerful.

Jill:
[59:16] Jensen came out, the CEO of NVIDIA, on the stage presenting it. And he was wearing his typical leather jacket, but it was a sparkly one with like patches, sparkly patches. And it matched the computer. It was like this sparkly, had a sparkly texture on it, at least in the lighting that he was showing it.

Michael:
[59:37] I don’t know. Okay. So I don’t know if that’s funnier. because it’s got random patches that sparkle or because it’s just a CEO wearing a leather jacket. I don’t know which one is funnier, but they’re both pretty funny.

Ryan:
[59:52] You want to know something interesting? You guys know how much I admire and look up to Lisa Sue when she took over AMD, right? I was one of the people predicting it was going to mean a massive turnaround for AMD, which came true. Did you know Jensen is Lisa’s cousin?

Jill:
[1:00:05] Mm-hmm.

Michael:
[1:00:06] No.

Ryan:
[1:00:07] Isn’t that crazy?

Jill:
[1:00:07] Yeah.

Michael:
[1:00:08] Really?

Ryan:
[1:00:09] Yeah. That family line is something else. Let me tell you. They got some good genes.

Michael:
[1:00:16] That’s also the craziest family reunion to get together. Like, hey, we can’t talk about work, people, because we’re literally the biggest competitors in this market.

Jill:
[1:00:28] But all joking aside, I was very impressed. And it was nice. I’ve been waiting for NVIDIA to make this kind of announcement for a while because they have talked about it for years that they’re in the CPU game and they have, you know, they had like their NVIDIA Tegra back in the day and media devices. But it’s really nice to see them now doing really professional little computers.

Ryan:
[1:00:54] This is going to be a game changer for NVIDIA. You’re going to see NVIDIA really change the PC landscape. There’s another prediction. Ubuntu and System76 were also at CES and I think that’s amazing. I don’t remember them being in the prior ones. I’m not saying they weren’t.

Jill:
[1:01:09] Oh, yeah, they have.

Ryan:
[1:01:11] But they were really showing off their booths and stuff this year on social media. And that got me really excited to know Linux is well represented at one of the most popular, the most popular tech show in the world. So, yeah, that’s very cool.

Jill:
[1:01:23] In fact, Canonical has made a presence there for many years, not every year, but even the last time I went to CES, which is like 10 years ago, they were there.

Ryan:
[1:01:33] Yeah. Was there anything that caught your attention, Jill?

Jill:
[1:01:37] Oh, yes. So one of my favorite things actually for the Consumer Electronics Show showed up at CES Unveiled on Monday before the official show started. It’s one of the press release shows that happens at night.

Jill:
[1:01:53] And it’s called The Comet by Mecha Systems. and they had a booth there and the comet is actually a linux-powered handheld modular computer built for students hobbyists artists and engineers like not unlike the raspberry pi and it’s really cool because it looks it looks like a thick smartphone and has a 1.8 gigahertz arm 64 quad core processor four gigabytes of memory and 32 gigabytes of storage which is expandable that is very cool yeah and it has a 3.4 inch capacitive touch ips led display but it’s handheld but here’s here’s the cool thing it is a it has a magnetic snap interface where you can swap a gamepad with a soft press d-pad and four input buttons a gpio panel with access to 40 pins and a keyboard with abs keys and more is coming in the future and it also supports raspberry pi hats and micro bus click boards and believe it or not this is the first thing i saw at CES and i was so happy a Linux computer getting coverage because Linux is all over that floor it’s and you know it’s on almost every device there but they don’t talk about it so it’s really nice i saw saw two uh um uh tech tubers uh review it and that was really awesome i’m so happy.

Jill:
[1:03:21] And we could always use more, you know, more cool tools and gadgets for our maker space.

Ryan:
[1:03:28] Look, they have a sign up for their Kickstarter and I am signing up for it like as we speak.

Jill:
[1:03:33] Yes, I did a few days ago. Yeah. And it’s only start like $159.

Michael:
[1:03:40] Yeah, it says $159 starting. For the super early bird rewards. That’s what you get there. And this is crazy looking. Because when you started talking about this, I thought I heard about what this was. I thought this was like something I already saw a photo of. And I was like, yeah, it’s going to look very, you know, janky. And a retro computer or something like that. But this thing looks super slick. It’s kind of like a smartphone shape. But it’s thicker. But in order to have an Ethernet port and some USB-A ports and the dongle or like the modularity aspect where it has like the, I guess it’s the GPIO pins or something at the bottom that you swap it out. It has like, they’re showing it looks like a ribbon connector if you wanted to for some reason. It’s very cool.

Jill:
[1:04:33] And it’s completely modular like the framework laptop, laptops that we know and love. And it even has a screwdriver inside of it. So you can hack around with it. And I thought it was also cool because they have their own Debian-based OS called Mechanics OX. And the Mechanics Shell desktop environment specifically made for touch surfaces. So it’s nice to have a Linux distro specifically for touch surfaces. you know man.

Ryan:
[1:05:08] This also has.

Michael:
[1:05:09] Lte modem support so it could be a phone exactly yeah i was.

Ryan:
[1:05:15] So excited.

Jill:
[1:05:15] About this when i when i first saw this i’m like oh my god oh my.

Ryan:
[1:05:18] God you know how cool you would be walking around with this device as your phone though he would be so unique everyone would be like what is that you’d be like you can’t handle it you can’t handle this it’s got ethernet jack you can’t i’m not even gonna show it you’re not on my level you’re not on and also i assume.

Michael:
[1:05:34] Like there’s the piece that has nothing on it. It’s like maybe like a touchscreen effect or something, like a touchpad maybe. Like this is so interesting.

Ryan:
[1:05:42] Michael, we are way over. We’re way over. We can’t talk about this anymore. We are going to have to skip the news on the shredding your data. That’ll be next week now.

Jill:
[1:05:51] We’ll shred your data next week.

Ryan:
[1:05:53] We’ll shred your data next week. I think we actually have to probably our mobile news as well and just get right into that will be next week about why satellites are buzzing over your head. If you’re one of those people with satellites buzzing over your head right now, and you’re like, dang it, I thought I was going to get the answer on this show. We’re sorry. You’re going to have to wait.

Michael:
[1:06:14] Unfortunately, Ryan was too long-winded this episode. But it was also… I mean, it’s really CES fault, honestly.

Ryan:
[1:06:22] CES kind of threw us.

Michael:
[1:06:23] And we didn’t even get through all the CES stuff we wanted to cover. There’s so much more left, and we might even cover them next time.

Ryan:
[1:06:30] We’ll do another CES cover. Yeah, that would be great. Um…

Ryan:
[1:06:34] Jill, for gaming, what did you have set up for us this week in gaming?

Jill:
[1:06:38] Okay, so I wanted to share our Steam replay results from the last year. Yeah, Valve has this awesome page that it puts out for all the statistics of you playing each game and how long you played each game. And it’s really amazing and on what devices you played them on. so this was just it’s just really fun something fun they do every.

Ryan:
[1:07:07] Year i love that they do that they love to make their environment and community fun and engaging and this is another example of how they do just that very cool um my replay is not exciting because obviously i’ve been in college this year yeah doing college work podcast company dealing with michael’s shenanigans i have no time uh so mine’s pretty pathetic it’s borderlands three six hours bugs 0.3 hours i don’t even remember playing that like i have zero recollection of playing that game i think i may have played it in like an after show because we talked about it or something i don’t know and then space marines uh it’s got a whole 0.9 hours in there of space marines 2 so i have really, done some major gaming this year, you know?

Michael:
[1:07:55] I think Jill’s going to make up for this for sure. But your gaming, I should be offended by the fact that you said my shenanigans are the cause of it. I mean, it might be partially the cause of it, but not majority of the issue. I would say like 5% of the shenanigans is a fact.

Ryan:
[1:08:16] Jill, what was your replay this year?

Jill:
[1:08:18] Oh, boy. So I’ve played a lot of Trackmania Stadium, too, like 120 hours worth.

Ryan:
[1:08:23] Good Lord.

Michael:
[1:08:24] That’s quite a bit.

Jill:
[1:08:26] Well, it’s because I stream it on the other network I podcast on.

Ryan:
[1:08:30] What? What’s on another network, Michael?

Michael:
[1:08:33] Has Jill betrayed us?

Jill:
[1:08:35] No.

Ryan:
[1:08:38] Man, I feel like those oysters.

Michael:
[1:08:41] We just got- We just rounded up and turned into laptops.

Ryan:
[1:08:45] Yeah.

Jill:
[1:08:45] Yeah. So I co-host it with Ben Stone over at Linux Gamecast.

Michael:
[1:08:50] That’s not how you say his name.

Ryan:
[1:08:51] You’re not supposed to talk about that other podcast over there. I know. There are competitors. We have to destroy them, grind them up like oyster shells.

Michael:
[1:09:02] We do not promote competitors. This is the open source community. We never give any attention to competitors except for the fact that we already did that for this one. And also we talked about Linux Unplugged earlier. So I guess we do a little bit sometimes.

Jill:
[1:09:16] It’s okay.

Ryan:
[1:09:17] Once in a while. What is the other show you’re on for people who want to catch you over there?

Jill:
[1:09:21] It’s called Linux Weekly Daily Wednesday or LWDW. It’s a Linux news show.

Ryan:
[1:09:28] Yeah.

Jill:
[1:09:28] And I’ve been on it now seven years.

Ryan:
[1:09:31] Traitor.

Jill:
[1:09:32] All right.

Ryan:
[1:09:33] Now, what’s the next game?

Michael:
[1:09:34] I think that she joined us after, but whatever.

Jill:
[1:09:38] So the next one for me is one of my favorite first person, Puzzlers, the Talus Principle 2 with 40 hours. It’s a great game. I’ve been loving that game.

Michael:
[1:09:50] So only two games, Jill?

Jill:
[1:09:51] Yeah. No, I’ve got actually – in normal circumstances, I would be embarrassed, but I’m not because of the nature. of why I have over 200 different games I’ve played in the last year. It’s due to reviewing them here on Destination Linux.

Ryan:
[1:10:08] She’s blaming us. She’s blaming us, Michael.

Jill:
[1:10:10] And trying out new games.

Michael:
[1:10:12] Technically, she’s blaming you because you’re the one who picks them all.

Ryan:
[1:10:15] Yeah.

Jill:
[1:10:15] Yeah.

Ryan:
[1:10:16] She would never have picked the horror games that are in that team.

Michael:
[1:10:20] No, I feel bad for Jill because of the suggestions that Steam is, like, Valve is completely confused by, like, the algorithm is, like, what Jill wants to play.

Jill:
[1:10:27] Like, no, no, none of these.

Ryan:
[1:10:29] Disney Mouse, Disney games, And then all of a sudden, like some horror game about killer clowns or something.

Jill:
[1:10:35] Exactly. Well, it was so funny because my 200 different games, the Steam medium for an individual playing different games played during a year is only four. So I think I’m a little above.

Ryan:
[1:10:51] Yeah.

Michael:
[1:10:52] I’m surprised it’s only four. That’s a very low number.

Jill:
[1:10:54] I thought it would be at least 10 to 20, you know, but I was surprised.

Michael:
[1:10:58] For the majority of gamers, you know. Yeah. For me, I play so many games. There’s this joke that people have about how some people make a joke about I only play Rocket League. You know, Ryan’s made that joke. Hale’s made that joke. There’s a lot of people who say this. And when I went to my Steam replay for this particular segment, I busted out laughing because there are three games. And I always make the joke that someone’s like, you’re going to play one game. I’m like, no, no, no. I play three games. I didn’t know that I had played three games. I was just making a random choice. And I was right. However, I played Descenders. It’s like a biking game, like a BMX style thing. And one time I played Ride 4, which is a MotoGP game. One time and then a Rocket League for however many hours. I have no idea.

Ryan:
[1:11:58] You do know. Many hours. You do know. You’re embarrassed to tell them.

Michael:
[1:12:01] My replay didn’t even tell me how many hours. It was just like 99% of your stuff is here. So what just assumed.

Ryan:
[1:12:09] Just said loser underneath.

Jill:
[1:12:10] How much time?

Ryan:
[1:12:11] Loser.

Jill:
[1:12:12] It did not.

Michael:
[1:12:13] It didn’t even say the hours. What it did say was that 120 sessions, 118 of those sessions are Rocket League.

Jill:
[1:12:23] Oh, cool.

Ryan:
[1:12:24] That’s crazy. In fairness, though, I did play a lot more games than I have there on PlayStation and stuff. So, you know, I had that. But that’s in the living room. It’s more easy for me to pick up and just play a game real quick and put it down. Whereas coming up here and playing a game, I just, you know, that’s rough.

Michael:
[1:12:41] You know what’s shocking? This actually would count the Steam Deck, too. And apparently I didn’t even play the Steam Deck one time this year. That’s last year.

Jill:
[1:12:47] Oh, my gosh.

Ryan:
[1:12:48] That’s pathetic, Michael.

Michael:
[1:12:49] That’s crazy.

Jill:
[1:12:50] I had like 30% gameplay because I test them on the Steam Deck for the show.

Ryan:
[1:12:55] See, Jill does work for the show, Michael. You see how that works? She like puts an effort into the show.

Michael:
[1:13:00] Jill, thank you for caring about doing the right thing on the show. I appreciate it.

Ryan:
[1:13:05] All right. So our software spotlight this week is Project Libre. When I started back in college, I got frustrated to find that there were a lot of courses that require proprietary software in order to complete the material. Now, there’s a lot of student discounts and things, which helps with covering the cost of this. But in my opinion, anything in the university should be free and open source software. Unless there’s an industry standard where like, hey, you know, if you’re doing graphic art design, You don’t want somebody knowing a tool that nobody uses when they actually go to get a job. So I get that. But outside of those things, when you’re talking about Word document creation and stuff like that, why not utilize open source standards and things for that? Even the Excel using an open source version for that. Yeah. So one of the things that I worked with my professors on is to get approval for open source alternatives when I’m in the course. And almost 100% of the time, they’re like, sure. And the only time they’ve said no is in situations where they’re like, hey, it has to be because of the standard, the specific format or whatever. Outside of that, they’ve been very agreeable to it. So I suggest if you’re in college, number one, you can just ask your professors, okay, if I submit my assignment utilizing this. A lot of times it just creates a lot of questions to them. And I’ve even found out some of my professors are fans of the show, which is pretty cool. And so they’re like.

Michael:
[1:14:26] Of course. That is awesome.

Jill:
[1:14:28] That is so wonderful.

Michael:
[1:14:29] That is awesome. And I also think that it’s both great for you and a little scary.

Jill:
[1:14:33] Because if I submit something really stupid.

Ryan:
[1:14:37] Well, they’re probably like, yeah, of course, he’s the stupid one. He’s the meathead.

Michael:
[1:14:40] And also, for those of the people who are teaching the courses for Ryan and are listening to the show, if he does submit something stupid, destinationlinux.net/comments. It’d be fantastic.

Ryan:
[1:14:55] How dare you, people? How dare you?

Jill:
[1:14:57] We’re up.

Ryan:
[1:14:58] That is really funny. And how dare you? That is so funny.

Jill:
[1:15:01] That’s great.

Ryan:
[1:15:01] Oh, my gosh. Oh, that’s great. What did I just do? All right.

Michael:
[1:15:06] Wonderful.

Ryan:
[1:15:06] This just recently happened. And one of the courses required Microsoft Project was required. You know about Microsoft Project, Michael?

Michael:
[1:15:15] I have never heard of this. I assume it’s like Jira or something, but I’ve never heard of this.

Ryan:
[1:15:20] A lot of people probably haven’t utilized it. If you’re in a project management role, you may have heard of Microsoft Project. Jill, have you heard of Microsoft Project in the past?

Jill:
[1:15:28] Actually, from you. Yeah, because you were looking for alternatives. That doesn’t count. Yeah.

Ryan:
[1:15:33] I just heard it from you now.

Michael:
[1:15:34] Too.

Ryan:
[1:15:35] It’s not something you really run across. Like I’ve been in corporate America for 26 years now, and I don’t remember anybody submitting anything with Microsoft Project, but it exists. It’s out there. And this course required it. So I asked the professor if I could use an open source, but I had to find something first to ask them. And I found Project Libre. And thankfully, my professor agreed I could use it in place of Microsoft Project. It’s a free and open source project creator. It’s downloaded over 7 million times, all seven continents in 193 countries. And it features compatibility with Microsoft Project nearly perfectly. You can do your Gantt charts, your network diagrams, your WS, RBS charts, earned value costs, resource histograms, all of that stuff right there with this tool. So highly recommend it. Check out Project Libre. And you don’t have to spend a ton of money on a license because it’s open source, which means it’s completely accessible. free.

Michael:
[1:16:30] Nice.

Ryan:
[1:16:31] But you should probably donate to the project if you can.

Michael:
[1:16:33] Also, yeah, if you’re going to use it, especially if you’re going to use it for college, you should donate.

Ryan:
[1:16:37] Yeah, saving a lot of money there. All right, Jill, what’s our tip of the week this week?

Jill:
[1:16:41] Okay, so our tip of the week is New Year’s resolutions for Linux users. Interesting.

Michael:
[1:16:49] Yeah, that’s going to be cool. I like it.

Jill:
[1:16:50] So one of my favorites and I thought of is try a new Linux distro. You know, if If you’ve been using a distro, one distro for years and years, try a new Linux distro and, you know, boot it from a flash drive and or put it in a virtual machine.

Michael:
[1:17:11] So she’s enabling distro hoppers?

Jill:
[1:17:13] Yes, enabling distro hoppers to discover other versions of Linux. And, you know, they’ve all come so far.

Michael:
[1:17:23] I think it’s good because a lot of people just get that one distro that they like and they use it. And it is great to do that. You shouldn’t feel like you need to change. But just trying another one just to kind of see what’s out there is a good idea.

Jill:
[1:17:36] Absolutely. And also try a new desktop environment.

Ryan:
[1:17:40] Cosmic.

Michael:
[1:17:41] KDE Plasma.

Jill:
[1:17:42] Window Maker. Rat Poison.

Ryan:
[1:17:44] No.

Jill:
[1:17:45] Fluxbox.

Ryan:
[1:17:45] Rat Poison. Chill. Why would they ever try that?

Jill:
[1:17:49] Rat poison is what we use for us to punish each other if.

Michael:
[1:17:53] We don’t accomplish something.

Ryan:
[1:17:56] Go give rat poison a try and hate your life.

Jill:
[1:17:59] While you’re at it yes uh do.

Michael:
[1:18:01] You like the mouse we’ll we’ll say goodbye when you.

Jill:
[1:18:04] Use you don’t get one yeah i just use the the keyboard commands and i’ve even done a Destination Linux show live with rat poison by the way uh for those that don’t know.

Ryan:
[1:18:15] Rat Poison is a desktop environment that exists for some reason that the mouse will never work. That’s the whole mouse, poison, rat poison thing.

Michael:
[1:18:22] It is 100% keyboard driven. You just get keyboard driven. And I will say, I think this is a crazy idea. 100% crazy that Rat Poison exists. I love the fact that it’s called Rat Poison. That’s hilarious. Yeah.

Jill:
[1:18:35] Isn’t that great?

Michael:
[1:18:35] It’s a good name. But also, Jill just said that she has done an episode of DL on Rat Poison.

Ryan:
[1:18:42] I remember that.

Michael:
[1:18:43] And I have to ask this question, Jill. I don’t think I asked you at the time. Was it a good experience?

Jill:
[1:18:49] It actually was. I just, I had, I made up my own scripts to launch all the apps.

Ryan:
[1:18:57] She prepped.

Michael:
[1:18:58] Okay.

Jill:
[1:18:58] Yeah, I had to prep it. You can’t just, you know, sit down and do it and, you know, watch.

Michael:
[1:19:05] So more and more reasons not to use rat poison. Okay, got it. You have to prep before you do anything.

Jill:
[1:19:10] Yeah. the other one is to contribute to an open source project I.

Ryan:
[1:19:15] Like that one.

Jill:
[1:19:17] Michael AI would count and you don’t have to be a developer you can contribute to you know typing out a manual, which all the projects need.

Michael:
[1:19:31] Open source contributions, even if you’re just going there to join the forum or the chat room to help people, that’s contributing to the project. There’s so many things. You don’t have to be a developer to do it. Obviously, a developer is going to know that you just provide code. That’s what they’re… But there are so many other ways to participate in any open source project from documentation to even graphics or marketing, whatever.

Ryan:
[1:19:54] Documentation on accessibility is desperately needed. So we’ll work on that.

Jill:
[1:19:58] Or even just getting the word out about the district.

Michael:
[1:20:01] That’s true.

Ryan:
[1:20:02] Or talking about this show. Get the word out about Destination Linux. That’s great.

Michael:
[1:20:06] Exactly. You can open source the marketing for this show. Absolutely.

Ryan:
[1:20:10] You are marketing for us. It’d be great. What’s the last one, Jill?

Jill:
[1:20:14] And my fourth one is go to a Linux conference to meet other Linux users.

Ryan:
[1:20:20] There you go. You have one you recommend, Jill?

Jill:
[1:20:23] Oh.

Michael:
[1:20:24] I don’t think she’s ever been to a conference ever.

Jill:
[1:20:27] The Southern California Linux Expo.

Ryan:
[1:20:29] Oh, that one.

Michael:
[1:20:30] Right, right. That one. The one that she’s gone to every single one of them.

Jill:
[1:20:34] Yeah, absolutely. But there’s a Linux conference in places all around the world. They’re very fun.

Ryan:
[1:20:42] And you already got something in common with everybody there, which makes it a really unique experience. Very easy to start conversations and stuff.

Jill:
[1:20:48] Exactly.

Ryan:
[1:20:49] You already got something in common there with all of them. And Jill, I know a lot of people, some people have already asked and stuff. You’re in California. A lot of people are worried about you because of the wildfires and things. So just real quick before we sign off here, update on how you’re doing with the wildfire situation.

Jill:
[1:21:04] Oh, thank you, Ryan and Michael, for asking. Yeah, I am safe. I am fine. My house is fine. I was the closest fire to me was just under 10 miles away. So they are close.

Ryan:
[1:21:20] Too close for comfort.

Jill:
[1:21:21] Yeah, but I’m kind of protected in a little bubble. A little short story, a long story short is that LA is in a basin surrounded by mountains and foothills. And that’s unusual. A lot of people don’t think of LA, oh, having mountains. No, there’s mountains all around. In fact, if I stand outside my door on my street, I can see snow. you can see snow so it’s right now where i’m only seeing smoke and ash but i i’m safe i’m okay my whole family is safe and okay i have had friends who have lost homes and that has been horrific, so but i’m trying to help them as much as possible monetarily you know with donations, and um gosh it’s it’s bad it is really really bad and i’m very fortunate that I’m where I’m at because I’m in a safe place.

Ryan:
[1:22:20] We’re very, very happy you’re safe, Jill.

Michael:
[1:22:23] Yes.

Ryan:
[1:22:23] Because by the way, those penguins would go up like a kindling there.

Michael:
[1:22:27] It would ignite very quickly, yes.

Ryan:
[1:22:28] Yeah.

Michael:
[1:22:29] This is a very important thing. I’m glad we talked about this. Now, good luck to Ryan for segwaying back into something where it makes us laugh.

Ryan:
[1:22:36] Yeah. Well, I saw snow too in Texas.

Jill:
[1:22:40] Oh, yes, absolutely. For some reason. I had fire. You have snow.

Ryan:
[1:22:43] I have snow in Texas.

Michael:
[1:22:44] 2025 is crazy.

Jill:
[1:22:46] Yeah.

Ryan:
[1:22:47] It’s kicking off with a bang there. If you’re in California, you’ve been affected by this. Obviously, your hearts go out to you. If you have family members and things impacted. I wanted to give you an update on Jill, but I know there’s a lot of people impacted by this thing. Let us know in the Discord chat things if there’s anything we can do to help. Hopefully, some of the humor in the show and other things help you get through

Ryan:
[1:23:08] some of your dealing with that type of situation. So, you know, a big thank you to each and every one of you for supporting us by watching or listening to Destination Linux, however you do it. We love your faces. Come join us on our Discord. Be part of the community. I mean, that’s what we’re here for, to be part of. Go to tuxdigital.com/discord and sign up and get to hang out with a bunch of other geeks like us.

Michael:
[1:23:33] Yeah. Exactly. And also there’s lots of cool stuff that you can do by becoming a patron of this show. And one of those things is on the Discord server because there’s a patron only section of our Discord server. So you can go to tuxdigital.com/discord to get into the server and tuxdigital.com/membership to sign up for the special section of the Discord. And there’s also many other things. You get unedited episodes of the show. You get access to the watch the show live when we record it. Merch. patron merch yes we got tons of merch too but uh first of all we have merch discounts for patrons so look at that there you go i want to be a.

Ryan:
[1:24:13] Patron just for that.

Michael:
[1:24:14] Just for that but we also have the patron only post show that happens every week after the show you can hang out with us after the show live when we get over to recording and so much more tuxdigital.com/membership to get more also tuxdigital.com/store is where you can get a ton of cool stuff we have like hats mugs t-shirts hoodies and so much more we have the un i’m unhackable shirt that is uh clearly a ryan a jill thing not a ryan and michael thing and uh not what ryan is picking up i don’t know even what this is chapstick chapstick we don’t have swag from scale that sticker is possible that it might be but the rest of gopro.

Ryan:
[1:24:54] Um dongle pad do.

Michael:
[1:24:56] We have that in the definitely not no no and also for those who are curious what he was dangling earlier that’s the rocktopus it’s a very weird thing he has on his with the rock’s head yeah it’s a very weird i think it exists solely for the joke of the pun of the name and that yeah that thing very weird that is not in the store people and i know you’re disappointed by that but i i’m actually happy that’s not in the store but you can go to tuxdigital.com/store to get all the cool stuff that is there.

Jill:
[1:25:32] And make sure to check out all our wonderful stores.

Ryan:
[1:25:37] We have more than one?

Jill:
[1:25:39] Yeah, we have more than one. Make sure to check out all our amazing shows here on TuxDigital. We have an entire network of shows to fill your whole week with geeky goodness. Go to tuxdigital.com to keep those Linux penguins marching.

Michael:
[1:25:54] Everybody, have a great and wonderful week. and remember that the journey itself is just as important as the destination.

Ryan:
[1:26:03] 2025, y’all!

Michael:
[1:26:07] It’s getting off to a rock-topus start, but we’re going to get there, people.

Jill:
[1:26:11] Oh, that’s a good one, Michael.

Ryan:
[1:26:13] It’s not good. Do not encourage him. Stop it. Don’t encourage him.

Michael:
[1:26:18] I think that’s the first dad joke I said in the show.

Ryan:
[1:26:20] It’s the first day to 2025.

Michael:
[1:26:23] It is the first one, yeah. There you go.

Ryan:
[1:26:25] Congratulations, man.

Michael:
[1:26:25] Thanks for watching the show, everybody. We’ll see you next week.